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what do you say/do when people start telling you how the milk or eggs they get is derived/produced/etc without harming the animals in any way?<br><br>
part of me wants to lash out and be like THIS ISN'T TRUE, but then the other part wants to congratulate them for doing a lot more than most of the world does. (to help against animal cruelty, environment, health, etc)<br><br><br><br>
like, for example, my ex gf (who you may have known has had many interested discussions with me on the topic already) said this tonight:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">it would be one thing if it were stacey's cow's milk or ashley's chickens eggs and emily's lamb's wool that i know they take uber love and care of, but mass produced stuff its like</div>
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I strongly believe that even these items involve some pain, suffering and or harm into the animals, but I don't want to start lashing out at her without any evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. Even if I have a really compelling argument, she won't listen at all most of the time. lol...*sigh*<br><br><br><br>
On another note, I also had some vegetarian family/friends/aquantences tell me that I should go back to vegetarianism OR that there's no need to go full out vegan. (that being a careful vegetarian will do just as much good as I am doing...)
 

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eggs--- fast food or wastage?<br><br><br><br>
Its an environmental distaster... factory farming of eggs depends on feed grown intensively using chemical fertilizers and pesticides which linked ot th eloss of farmland wildlife.<br><br><br><br>
Hens laying eggs dont produce food, they waste it... It takes 3 kilos of grain to produce one kilo of eggs. Each battery egg takes about 180 litres of water to produce... the poorest people on earth have only 10 litres of water a day.<br><br><br><br>
Eggs are just a rich source of cholesterol linked to heart disease..... major source of salmonella food poisoning.....<br><br><br><br>
Plain and simple.. eggs are responsible for massive animal suffering, slaughter, environmental threats and human health risks.<br><br><br><br>
Same goes for dairy, wool, fur, etc.
 

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oh and "free-range" in reality is that up to 16,000 hens are often debeaked and overcrowded in large sheds and not a single one of them get to venture outside. After the egg-layer year, they too are slaughtered.<br><br><br><br>
Treating hens like a egg-laying machines are just plain wrong!
 

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i believe quincy was asking about people who get their eggs, wool and milk from farmers they know personally. farmers who care for their animals in a loving and gentle way.<br><br><br><br>
quincy, i would ask that person what happens to the laying hens when they stop laying. i would ask what happens to any chicks that may be born. i would want to know if they are slaughtered or sold off to slaughterers. i would have the same questions about milk cows and their offspring. do the sheep ever stop producing wool good enough for sale? if so, what happens to them?
 

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i believe quincy was asking about people who get their eggs, wool and milk from farmers they know personally. farmers who care for their animals in a loving and gentle way.<br><br><br><br>
quincy, i would ask that person what happens to the laying hens when they stop laying. i would ask what happens to any chicks that may be born. i would want to know if they are slaughtered or sold off to slaughterers. i would have the same questions about milk cows and their offspring. do the sheep ever stop producing wool good enough for sale? if so, what happens to them?</div>
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she doesn't have the answers, but she keeps telling me she wants to bring me on a tour of that/those farm(s). if this ever happens, these will be the questions that I will definitely ask myself.
 

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she doesn't have the answers, but she keeps telling me she wants to bring me on a tour of that/those farm(s). if this ever happens, these will be the questions that I will definitely ask myself.</div>
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She is offering you the answers. You are making uninformed assumptions about the conditions on these farms and she is offering you perfect information. If you don't tour the farms then you are doing exactly what we often acuse non vegetarians of doing.
 

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I tell them, I used to think that too (I was ovo-lacto 10 years) but then I read that wasn't true, while it is an improvement on factory farming, it's still not entirely cruelty free because.... and explain bearing in mind it's a common misconception. Offer to give them books, links to websites ethat can explain better than you can as well.
 

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I was thinking about that.. what if I had my own chickens for some eggs?<br><br><br><br>
Would anyone else eat an egg if they raised the chickens themselves? They would probably be happier chickens than the ones in the large ammonia air sheds, thats for certain.<br><br><br><br>
I've been curious about this for some time. My sister brought it up a while back.
 

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Well, I wouldn't eat eggs no matter what because I think they're gross. Plus, I don't necessarily think it's my place.<br><br><br><br>
The only situation where there is little to no ethical issue around eggs is with rescued hens. If you get your own hens through a breeder, you can be assured that an equal number of male chicks was killed in order to produce the hens.
 
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