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I just thought I'd take some time to rant, or at least offer my own two groszy on the crazy world of dieting.<br><br><br><br>
As many of you know, I am a strong advocate for the enjoyment of food. Falafel, chips, soup, bread, I like it all, and if my stomach isn't about to burst, i'll eat it. Incidentally, I'm 11st (140-150lb ish) which isn't overweight, or underweight. Last time i checked, I was about average weight.<br><br><br><br>
And lately, i'm feeling threatened by dieting. My sister keeps saying "One day, your metabolism will catch up with you" because i have a habit of eating 3000+ calories on some days, and she's convinced that she's fat, so she's kinda annoyed at how i can eat that much and stay OK. I attribute this to the "Loki Diet" as I call it, which is shorthand for "worry-free eating" The WFE ideology is that no food is a sin unless its been brutally killed. I have no worries of getting fat, and I have no worries about dead animals (Well, not entirely, since i'm not vegan, but you see the point!)<br><br><br><br>
Anywhow, myself, and most of my friends are happy to eat until we are content, but I cannot stand to look at people who are quite slim, and deprive themselves of the joy of eating chips or of simple pleasures in order to stay thin. I relaly think that aside from scallies burning cars with homemade firebombs, this is one of the greatest problems that society faces. People are insecure. i find it odd how there is so much superficiality over such as thing as how much we weigh. The point is, that it doesn't matter, as long as we aren't putting out health at risk. But people do put their health at risk in the quest to become thin. By not eating at all, throwing up what they have eaten, or by following the diet du jour that we are told to follow.<br><br><br><br>
There are hundreds of diets which you can follow. The cabbage soup diet, the atkins diet, the zone diet, the all-the-potassium-you-want diet. (That last one isn't real) All of these are ways to trim your waistline and miss out of your favourite foods at the same time. I don't see why they're so popular. Then there's the age old calorie counting. That's always fun. Many women (it is mainly women, I'm not being sexist) seem to love calorie counting. I even hear that some famous person had her kids who weren't even in double figures counting the calories. There are people who will binge and then think "Oh crap" and the rest of the day will be spent eating crackers or something else which has about 1 calorie. I find this very strange. Many calorie counters stress over small things and say "i can't have that chocolate bar, it's got X calories in it."<br><br><br><br>
For breakfast, 300g of chocolate is not unheard of for me. That's 1620 calories. (Well, that should be Calories, with a big "C") And I have a couple of chubby friends who are happy to eat the chocolate. These friends are happy. they have accepted that they're slightly overweight, and still enjoy food. I just wish more people would do this. Chocolate is great stuff. but many people don't understand that a 3 ounce bar of chocolate will not lead to a 3 pound weight gain.<br><br><br><br>
Dieting will not make you happy. Dieting will make you miserable. You miss out of great food, and it i very superficial to see losing a few pounds as important. I just believe that too many people are obsessed with their weight, as it is not weight loss that makes you happy. I believe that happines can be gained by experiencing chocolate, chips and falafel, rather than losing weight. The only reason to lose weight is other people, and if they're people like me, they won't care what weight you are.<br><br><br><br>
Does anyone else feel like I do? Or am i in the minority?
 

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i feel ya. i battled with trying to be "skinny". i went through a couple of episodes of anorexia and bulima. all it did was screw up my metabolism and make me put on more weight when i decided to just be happy with my body. im 5'10" and my weight has finally leveled off at 149lbs. thats the same weight i was when my body image issues started. i am very happy with where im at now and more concered with setting a good example for my daughter
 

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I seriously doubt you are in the minority.<br><br><br><br>
I ate much the same way you do for years. But I was also quite active. Not active for health, but because I just loved doing things like b-ball and volley ball, softball, hiking, swimming, biking. I ate stuff that made my more delicate girlfriends cringe with horror before scolding me. I cannot eat that way any more. I had a run of stress related illness, started throwing up not because I wanted to loose weight, but because I just was too sick with nerves to keep anything down. I lost cartloads of weight in just a few months. If you like the way Twiggy or Kate Moss look, then you would have thought I looked good as long as you did not look at my face, which became hollow eyed, pale and haggard.<br><br><br><br>
Now I am forced to be careful. That time of stress sickness did a couple of things to me. One thing was that I totally messed up my metabolism. I find it nearly impossible to lose weight and it used to melt off easily. Another thing is that my stomach herniated from all the vomiting (yuck, I know, too much information). Now food and acid bile come up into my chest and throat if I eat more then a cup or so of food at one sitting (and still I do not loose weight just energy). The third thing was that my blood pressure skyrocketed. It had always been impressively low up until then. It got so high that my doc put me on blood pressure meds, which I did not want to be on. He said he would take me off of them if I lost 15 lbs. I was determined! I worked hard, started getting up an hour and a half earlier in the AM to exercise and chug (top of my body runs, the bottom half walks really fast--shin splints from doing track bare foot as a teen.) My BP came way down, my cholesterol went way down, but I did not loose one oz! Not one in 8 weeks of trying. It has been almost 16 weeks and I have quit weighing myself, but I do not think I have lost any yet. When my BP was down to 98/58 before I took my pill (which I had already cut in half), I let my doc know I was feeling light headed and that I needed off of these pills even though I had not lost the weight.<br><br><br><br>
All this to say that from my limited experience it is not eating but radical dieting that screws with your metabolism. Of course lifestyle has something to do with it. But I worry about young girls who do on purpose what I did accidentally, setting themselves up to struggle with their body for the rest of their lives.<br><br><br><br>
Perhaps metabolism slows down, I did put on between 10 to 15 lbs after two babies, but that took 20 years (from high school to 40 years old). I used a lot of drugs in high school including amphetamines which made food unappealing and pot which made me an eating machine, those did not mess with my metabolism like the vomiting did.<br><br><br><br>
Your jeans will tell you if it is time to slow down on the chips. Until then I say fill up on the good stuff, enjoy the yummy stuff and sweat to get where you want to go.<br><br><br><br>
Kamila who struggles more with age then body image.
 

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Loki, I have to say you've got a really great attitude and I wish I could be like that!<br><br>
Sadly I belong to the paranoid group..but it is damn good to hear people being realistic. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
I think a lot of peoples' problems don't just stem from "oh I want to be skinny" but from the whole misconception that everyone has the same metabolism.<br><br>
One question though..what are "scallies"?
 

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Loki,<br><br><br><br>
But you're what? 19 or 20? You still have the fun of being able to eat whatever you want. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"> Actually, I'm 25 and I can still get away with that, too -- it's just, as I got older and wasn't burning extra calories with growing and such, I wanted to eat less. That's the way the metabolism shift is <i>supposed</i> to work. I find it distressing sometimes that not everyone's works that well. I stuff myself occasionally, but I never feel bad about it. Especially when it's falafel. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> But then, I've never struggled with not being thin, so your WFE ideology works for me for now. Someday my metabolism <i>will</i> slow down, I'm sure, but I enjoy exercise, so I'm not too worried.<br><br><br><br>
Wow. That was pointless rambling. Anything to not get ready for work.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Loki</i><br><br><b>These friends are happy. they have accepted that they're slightly overweight, and still enjoy food.</b></div>
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It is for that very reason that the majority of the world is overweight.<br><br>
Now, I understand that we all have different metabolisms- don't get me wrong. Regardless of what people say, I'm stuck on the fact that 30 years ago obesity wasn't nearly as prominent as it is today.<br><br>
I think that when people say, "I've accepted the way that I am.. this is how I'm built and my metabolism is slower than yours" it's little more than an excuse to continue eating the way that they do and to continue laying in front of the T.V. rather than going outside for a walk.<br><br>
I guess what I'm getting at is maybe if more people layed off of the junk food and started eating the foods that their bodies were intended to eat (fruits, veggies, etc.) the world wouldn't have such a problem. Maybe if more people were TOLD that it's NOT healthy to stay overweight, if they were shown that their parents were LYING to them when they were told that they were just 'big-boned' maybe they would do something about it.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Added later: Yes, I DO understand that there are still people who will be fat regardless of what they do (I have an aunt who spends 3 hours a day with a personal trainer in the gym PLUS eats remarkably healthy for an omnivore but still manages to be very overweight). I just think that the majority of overweight people CAN and SHOULD do something about it, rather than just 'accept' it.
 

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What I am saying is that people who are slightly overweight shouldn't worry. But people such as Rik Waller should worry.<br><br>
- bigrikcouk.brinkster.net/ images/default_40_2.jpg - This is Rik Waller. He's morbidly obese. He's somewhat of a celebrity in britain.<br><br><br><br>
But really, when it comes down to losing weight for cosmetic reasons, I find it crazy. There are people who will pay three thousand quid for liposuction, and I just ask "Why? - Can't you accept yourself? That three thousand quid would have bought you so much better things" nd it's the same with dieting. i feel that people do miss out, and the culture we are in means that you get people who eat too much and don't exercise and do nothing about it, and you get people who do the complete opposite.<br><br><br><br>
And we do have a nasty culture. Rik Waller is a fantastic singer. He can sing really well. He went on some reality show (I think it was pop idol) and basiclaly got told that he couldn't be a singer because of his weight. They didn't give a sh*t about his great voice. That pisses me off a lot.<br><br><br><br>
Oh yeah, and you asked what scallies are. A scally is somewhat of a social plague. They cause trouble, and piss people off. The scallie is often referred to as a NED, or Non-educated delinquent. This is what scallies look like:<br><br><a href="http://www.scallycentral.com/images/splash.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.scallycentral.com/images/splash.jpg</a>
 

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this thread started out great! then it all went downhill with this comment:<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I just think that the majority of overweight people CAN and SHOULD do something about it, rather than just 'accept' it.</div>
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diets don't work. they make people fatter. so when you say they should "do something about it", what did you mean? they should jump on the dieting bandwagon (which they've more likely done a hundred times)?<br><br><br><br>
the ONLY thing people need to do for good health is eat well, and live an active life. weight has nothing to do it. be they 112 pounds or 250. your aunt is not the only fat person in the world who eats sensibly and exercises regularly and is still fat.<br><br><br><br>
there are several studies out that show fat people don't eat more than thin people. it may be true that fat people often don't get as much exercise as thin people but there are reasons for that. (can't find work out clothes in their size, are denied memberships to gyms and health clubs, are mocked when they try to walk around their neighbourhoods or swim at the local pool, or they are depressed because society hates on them constantly. depressed thin people rarely work out, either.).<br><br><br><br>
i think it's actually really fascinating (and discouraging) how much fat prejudice is running rampant on these boards. there are a lot of misconceptions out there, and there is a lot of "blame the victim" mentality going on. please try to remember that there are fat folks here (and everywhere) who don't fit your stereotype, and that what you are saying here is hurtful and offensive to them. also, a lot of it is just plain ignorant.
 

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All we can do is eat a healthy, moderate diet, take care of ourselves, and exercise for health. Whatever weight we are at TRULY doing this is the weight we are meant to be and the weight we SHOULD be. No one should have to starve themselves or workout 5 hours a day to acheive "health". Our bodies should naturally fall into a healthful state through correct exercise and food choices, and if we are not a size 6 after this, we are not meant to be a size 6.<br><br>
Stellar- I am not suggesting if we are overweight we lay around, watch TV and eat junk food. But if I weighed 90 pounds, would that be an ok way for to live? The standard should go BOTH ways. A lazy, unhealthy lifestyle is not ok for ANYONE.<br><br>
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I sort of get diet paranoid every now and then. This is because everyone I know is on a diet but me. One of my co-workers is on a atkins type diet that requires her to drink a ton of cranberry water with flaxseed meal every day(yuk yuk YUK!!) My best friend is on weight watchers. Everyone in my family is always on some kind of diet (last I checked it was the zone). So here I am, just trying to do my thing and eat and live and I have all these dieters giving my plate the evil eye. Every time I am somewhere eating, you can't go two feet without someone lamenting about the amount of fat grams, carbs, etc, etc in the meal. I say if the fat and carbs make it taste good, then enjoy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by rainbowmoon</i><br><br><b>All we can do is eat a healthy, moderate diet, take care of ourselves, and exercise for health. Whatever weight we are at TRULY doing this is the weight we are meant to be and the weight we SHOULD be. A lazy, unhealthy lifestyle is not ok for ANYONE.<br><br></b></div>
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Well said, RBM! I don't count calories or fat grams or any of that, but I do make sure I eat a wide variety of fruits, veggies, and whole grains. I try to eat non-processed foods as much as possible. On that same token, though, I don't worry if I eat a bag of chips or a piece of cake. I also try to maintain an active lifestyle.<br><br><br><br>
This has kind of mutated from Loki's original intent, though--I do agree with Loki that diets are bad. To me, a diet implies something you do for a period of time to lose weight and once the weight is off, you go back to your regular way of eating. For me, healthy living is a lifestyle. It's not something I obsess over b/c I've been doing it for several years, so for me, eating lots of fruits and veggies and being active is habit.
 

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"It is for that very reason that the majority of the world is overweight." -stellar26<br><br><br><br>
Actually, the majority of the world is NOT overweight. The majority of Americans(and maybe some other countries too but i don't know) are overweight. But there are still many countries where malnutrition is still a problem. If you go to a third world country you won't see a majority of people overweight. Actually in most countries besides America most people are not overweight.<br><br><br><br>
I think that it is OK to eat some high calorie foods and not worry about it, but those foods should be a small part of your diet. Even thin people shouldn't eat all junk all the time. But you don't have to obsess over health and dieting. If your overall diet is fairly healthy then some higher calorie foods won't hurt you. It's obsessive dieting and extreme overeating that are problems, for people of any weight.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by stellar26</i><br><br><b>It is for that very reason that the majority of the world is overweight.</b></div>
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The majority of Americans, and possibly other western countries, yes. But there's a whole other world outside those borders. Check it out sometime.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block"><b>I think that when people say, "I've accepted the way that I am.. this is how I'm built and my metabolism is slower than yours" it's little more than an excuse to continue eating the way that they do and to continue laying in front of the T.V. rather than going outside for a walk.</b></div>
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I think it's wonderful when people accept and love themselves the way they are, rather than hating themselves for not fitting into some irrelevent societal mold. I think you are confusing people who are naturally heavier with people who don't live a healthy lifestyle. I used to live a very unhealthy lifestyle but I was thin the whole time. No one ever told me I should change my eating habits or get off the couch. Why? Because I looked approximately the way society says I'm supposed to. But if I had continued to live that way, I would have done major damage to my body and ability to enjoy life.<br><br><br><br>
I think if someone is living an unhealthy lifestyle, they should change it to be healthy. That's it. I don't see why weight needs to be factored in. Yes, being overweight can be a symptom of unhealthy living, but it is not the fat itself that is unhealthy, it is the conditions that may arise from the same unhealthy habits which cause the overweight. If someone is fat but healthy, that's awesome and they don't need to change a thing.<br><br><br><br>
Society tells us that fat is evil and if we are fat we have to be punished. Punished by food deprivation, punished by excessive exercise whether we enjoy it or not. It's so sad how many people give in to these pointless rules which are put in place by advertisers and kept in place by us when we buy into the lie and buy their products. I say, be healthy. Take care of your body. Enjoy good food, one of the greatest pleasures there is. Love yourself.
 

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I'm not against all forms of dieting. Yes, we should just enjoy our food, and it would be great if fat prejudice didn't exist, but if you are wanting to lose weight, I would recommend you do it with weight watchers or some organisation that doesn't take dieting like a religion. weight watchers is a sensible way to lose weight. Putting your body into ketosis or eating cabbage soup is not.<br><br><br><br>
Equally, I'm not suggesting that all we shoul eat all day is donuts and McDonalds. We should eat healthily, but we shouldn't dismiss simple pleasures like the occasional bar of chocolate.
 

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heh heh. you know what cracks me up? what cracks me up is that people say that fat people should go on diets and lose weight for their health, completely disregarding the fact that most fat people have lived the majority of their lives DIETING. yo-yo dieting, where people lose tremendous amounts of weight over the period of a few months, and then gain it all back again, probably contributes to more of the "fat diseases" than actually remaining at a constant, high, steady weight for the majority of your life, does. this is yet another factor that all of these "obesity studies" fails to take into account when they provide all their "evidence" that being fat makes you unhealthy.<br><br><br><br>
even these "sensible" diet places, like weight watchers, have low long term success rates. call them up and ask them for a copy, in writing, of what their success rate for keeping the weight lost on their program off, after five years, is. (boy, that was some bad grammar there.) weight is usually regained at the same rate it was lost, no matter what dieting method you use, especially if you are naturally fat. like me.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by stellar26</i><br><br><b>.<br><br>
Now, I understand that we all have different metabolisms- don't get me wrong. Regardless of what people say, I'm stuck on the fact that 30 years ago obesity wasn't nearly as prominent as it is today.</b></div>
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I often hear this said, but I just do not remember it as being the case. Most of the people I knew (30 years ago) who were over about 28, especially woman who had children were obese. I believe it is a bigger social issue today then it was 30 years ago, but it seems like there were just as many overweight people as there are now.<br><br><br><br>
Thirty years ago we may have been less image conscience, less cruel and snobbish about the shell instead of the person inside. Thirty years ago we thought Twiggy was the unhealthy one, the one who was not as intelligent. Today we think the higher number on the scale means a lower number in intelligence or the person would figure out how to be smaller. Prejudice reigns (this last comment is by no means aimed at stellar26, I was just going off on the 30 years ago comment.)
 

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the problem with unhealthy(not just overweight but everyone) people isnt necessarily their diet(not means dieting diet, but in general what they eat) it is that they do not get enough exercise. whether you are skinny, fat or inbetween, if you cant walk up 2 flights of stairs without huffing and puffing you need to get off your ass and do something.
 

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one should also note that not only do you need to increase your heart rate in exercise you need to actually use your muscles and make them work.
 
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