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  • Yes, welfare was an essential step; I wouldn't be here otherwise.

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  • Yes, but it delayed me by placating me.

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I started w/the classical "it's a continuum" model in mind: Abuse; Exploitation; Welfare; Rights. That model has been vociferously challenged, and so I want to know if people generally did go through the Land o' Welfare first, and if so, is that just because of the historical landscape.<br><br><br><br>
Would it be a faster and more complete change w/o AW around?<br><br><br><br>
I'm asking this question on a couple of forums, so <b>please also check the last box and tell me which you way you voted</b>, if you've already voted elsewhere. That way, we'll have a representation of each forum, but also I can get an idea of the larger population. Thanks!
 

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No - for me it wasn't the way the animals were kept and treated but simply that they were murdered to satiate my carnivorous desires. That and I wanted to impress a gorgeous man. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I don't know what to answer, given that in the development of my views on the topic, there was never a clear distinction between AW and AR. I don't think, after first starting to avoid eating meat, I ever thought human preferences justify violation of basic non-human interests. I did think that using other species was ok if it didn't cause harm which according to Francione's classifications would be welfarist, but I dunno.
 

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I think I was born with some AR tendencies just naturally intact. For example, we listened to the song "Swing on a Star" (lyrics<a href="http://kokomo.ca/pop_standards/swingin_on_a_star_lyrics.htm" target="_blank">http://kokomo.ca/pop_standards/swing...tar_lyrics.htm</a>) in first-grade music class, and I hated it because I though it put down animals.<br><br><br><br>
At about the same time, I would also loudly change the lyrics to "She'll Be Comin' Round the Mountain." While the other kids "killed the old red rooster" with a "Chop! Chop!", my version went "Oh we'll pet the old red rooster" and pretended like I was rocking something in my arms.<br><br><br><br>
I asked my mom not to play her Paula Abdul 45 "Cold Hearted Snake" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> and also made up a "response" song from the snakes.<br><br><br><br>
I was also quite offended by this moldy old Jiminy Cricket science special we watched. The subject was the human brain. I have never forgotten the title song: "YOU are a human animal. YOU are a very special breed. For YOU are the only animal, Who can THINK! Who can TALK! Who can READ! Now all your pets are smart, that's true. But NONE of them can add up two and two! Because the--only--Thinking Animal--is YOU, YOU, YOU!"<br><br>
The accompanying images included a whole menagerie of animals staring dumbfounded at a chalkboard. Nowadays, I think it would be a great ironic soundtrack to a "Meat Your Meat" type video.<br><br><br><br>
And of course, as a young child I was usually inconsolable if an animal got hurt in a movie storyline, or someone told me about an animal dying.<br><br><br><br>
At the same time, I had the typical AW attitude that working around animals or having a lot of pets = animal lover. I loved to go to the pet shop and really looked up to the pet store guy. One of my "when I grow up" dreams was to own a pet store--how great to be around so many animals! I envied kids who had lots of animals (it didn't occur to me that most of these were "country pets" living in neglect or farm animals being readied for slaughter). I thought I needed lots of pets too, to be a real animal lover. I also thought vets were always great animal lovers (I wanted to be one of those too) and suffered a crisis of conscience when I learned our vet hunted and kept animal trophies, among other things. And of course, I loved hanging out in the barns at the county fair! How was I to know where those animals were going?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>peace</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I think I was born with some AR tendencies just naturally intact. For example, we listened to the song "Swing on a Star" (lyrics<a href="http://kokomo.ca/pop_standards/swingin_on_a_star_lyrics.htm" target="_blank">http://kokomo.ca/pop_standards/swing...tar_lyrics.htm</a>) in first-grade music class, and I hated it because I though it put down animals.<br><br><br><br>
At about the same time, I would also loudly change the lyrics to "She'll Be Comin' Round the Mountain." While the other kids "killed the old red rooster" with a "Chop! Chop!", my version went "Oh we'll pet the old red rooster" and pretended like I was rocking something in my arms.</div>
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What a precocious conscience! Much more evolved than Jiminy Cricket's, it would appear. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br><br><br>
hey! didn't you vote??
 

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No, I didn't vote because I wasn't really sure how I'd vote. I mean, at around the same time these songs and cartoons were upsetting me, I was still eating meat. I hadn't yet made the connection between "animal" and "patty on plate."<br><br><br><br>
Also, even after I first stopped eating meat, I continued to have the belief for a time that pet shops, county fairs and so on were great fun places. It took me awhile (and some eye-opening experiences at said places) to start thinking harder about those, too.
 
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