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A vegan friend of mine pointed out that if I am raising my kids vegan that their digestive system will grow to be vegan. That if they decided to eat meat or dairy later on in life that their digestive system would not be able to handle it.<br><br>
She was in no way advocating that I feed them dairy or meat because of this, she just pointed it out.<br><br>
First of all- is this true?<br><br>
Second of all- Is that the wrong thing to do? I'm curious what the general opinion is out there on this. That you would be making a pre-determination of how your kids will eat for their lifetime- is that not fair to your children?<br><br>
My MIL can make the same argument with us choosing not to baptize our children, she says that it is unfair to them because if they die young, they never got that choice to be welcomed into heaven because we made that choice for them and deprived them of it. (which is silly and not correct IMO).
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mollycakes</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2979402"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
First of all- is this true?</div>
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Second of all- Is that the wrong thing to do?</div>
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It's an ethical decision. It's like raising your kids not to commit rape or murder. Raising your children to be good people should be the goal of all parents.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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My MIL can make the same argument with us choosing not to baptize our children, she says that it is unfair to them because if they die young, they never got that choice to be welcomed into heaven because we made that choice for them and deprived them of it. (which is silly and not correct IMO).</div>
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I'm not sure of your exact views here, but I will agree that her thoughts on this matter are silly and incorrect.
 

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I'm of the opinion the human digestive system lacks the ability to digest meat fully. Human meateaters are prone to heart disease, cancer, obesity, and other physical afflictions. Your kids can make their own choices when they mature.
 

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It could possbily be true for dairy products, but not sure. Pretty sure it's not true w.r.t. meat.
 

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I found this:<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">As early as 2 years of age, most people begin to produce less lactase, the enzyme that helps with the digestion of milk.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-Used-for-Food/vegan-children-healthy-and-happy.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-U...and-happy.aspx</a><br>
But the page supports the idea that avoiding dairy in children is actually beneficial as dairy can be harmful to them.<br><br>
Also this:<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Other health risks that have been touted include an argument that the body was made to digest meat and going for a long time without eating meat could cause bacteria in the digestive system to become idle, which, theoretically, could make it easier for vegetarians to get sick.<br><br>
But this theory simply doesn't seem to hold when you consider that the vast majority of vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters. Just because our bodies have evolved to eat meat does not mean it is necessary for health.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.essortment.com/cons-vegetarian-diet-40636.html" target="_blank">http://www.essortment.com/cons-veget...iet-40636.html</a><br><br>
I am having trouble finding any pubmed or similar scientific studies that contain actual fact rather than opinion, I would like to verify this is not true (which I don't think it is) before I make the switch with the kids from vegetarian to vegan.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mollycakes</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2979424"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I am having trouble finding any pubmed or similar scientific studies that contain actual fact rather than opinion, I would like to verify this is not true (which I don't think it is) before I make the switch with the kids from vegetarian to vegan.</div>
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You're not likely to find studies since there is no reason for them to exist. All you have to do is look at the people who had plant-based diets for a long period of time and then stopped. There are tons of them. There is not a single example of a person whose body lost its ability to process flesh during a prolonged period of plant eating. The human body doesn't work that way.
 

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You're not likely to find studies since there is no reason for them to exist. All you have to do is look at the people who had plant-based diets for a long period of time and then stopped. There are tons of them. There is not a single example of a person whose body lost its ability to process flesh during a prolonged period of plant eating. The human body doesn't work that way.</div>
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thank you- I'm not sure where this rumor got started. It seems to be a misconception!
 

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I don't care if it's not fair to the children that their digestive system can't handle meat as well as an omnivorous child's - that's no reason to be unfair towards non-human animals ....
 

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It's an ethical decision. It's like raising your kids not to commit rape or murder. Raising your children to be good people should be the goal of all parents.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> Exactly. I don't see teaching your kids to be good people who aren't cruel to animals as depriving them at all.
 

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I'm of the opinion the human digestive system lacks the ability to digest meat fully.</div>
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The human digestive system lacks the ability to digest plants fully - does that mean we shouldn't eat them either?
 

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First of all- is this true?</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Second of all- Is that the wrong thing to do?</div>
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<div class="quote-block">My MIL can make the same argument with us choosing not to baptize our children, she says that it is unfair to them because if they die young, they never got that choice to be welcomed into heaven because we made that choice for them and deprived them of it. (which is silly and not correct IMO).</div>
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The catholics changed their mind about that, even unbaptized babies/kids can go to heaven now, if there is such a thing as a catholic heaven.
 

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The human digestive system lacks the ability to digest plants fully - does that mean we shouldn't eat them either?</div>
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It's a question of degree. Eating plants doesn't produce fatal diseases, as eating meat tends to. It's also a question of common sense; raising children vegan only deprives them of serious risk of illness later in their lives. Take your pick.
 

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It's a question of degree. Eating plants doesn't produce fatal diseases, as eating meat tends to. It's also a question of common sense; raising children vegan only deprives them of serious risk of illness later in their lives. Take your pick.</div>
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Plus undigestible plant fiber is necessary for our health, so it's apples and oranges really <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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It's a question of degree. Eating plants doesn't produce fatal diseases, as eating meat tends to. It's also a question of common sense; raising children vegan only deprives them of serious risk of illness later in their lives. Take your pick.</div>
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saying that meat causes fatal diseases is a little too simplistic.
 

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saying that meat causes fatal diseases is a little too simplistic.</div>
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Not when you look at the statistics; specifically, heart diseases and cancers are the primary causes of death among meat-eating populations.
 

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It's a question of degree. Eating plants doesn't produce fatal diseases, as eating meat tends to. It's also a question of common sense; raising children vegan only deprives them of serious risk of illness later in their lives. Take your pick.</div>
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I agree with your first sentence - it's a question of degree. I don't buy into your argument that eating meat is inherently unhealthy - certainly you can make it so with excess consumption, or with highly processed meats, but as part of a balanced diet, there's nothing (nutritionally) wrong with meat.<br><br>
That said, I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with raising vegan children - you're not going to do them any harm, nor permanently affect their digestive ability - they're free to make their own moral choice later in life, which is how it should be. If they get a little discomfort from the transition, well it's no less than they deserve really <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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If they get a little discomfort from the transition, well it's no less than they deserve really <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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lol- I wonder if I can threaten them later with this.....like using the boogyman against them to get them to go to bed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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I agree with your first sentence - it's a question of degree. I don't buy into your argument that eating meat is inherently unhealthy - certainly you can make it so with excess consumption, or with highly processed meats, but as part of a balanced diet, there's nothing (nutritionally) wrong with meat.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.healthandgoodness.com/article/health-risks-of-meat.html" target="_blank">http://www.healthandgoodness.com/art...s-of-meat.html</a>
 

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lol- I wonder if I can threaten them later with this.....like using the boogyman against them to get them to go to bed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></div>
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Id do it to my kids.....
 
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