[gemmatoy]

Hi All,<br><br>
I thought I'd share an interesting article I came across revealing products that secretly/deceptively have meat in them (most of which is quite shocking, and you'd never guess!)<br><br>
Anyway here the link is:<br><br>
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I found it very useful!<br><br>
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[Ira]

there is fish in drinks?? eeew that would sound gross to me even as a meat eater...i guess i will stop drinking stella now too

 

[Krystal Pistol]

marshmallows being on the list was a little shocking to me. that is the only thing on the list that I've consumed in the last month. im a little disappointed.

 

[AddieB]

I don't think it <b>contains</b> fish, I believe it is filtered with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isinglass" target="_blank">isinglass</a>. Still not vegan and gross though.

 

[fineartmarcella]

Yes, Marshmallows is a slaughterhouse product, its main ingred. is gelatin made from pork parts

 

[Phoenix Days]

Smarties? Damn, I used to love those things.

 

[AddieB]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Phoenix Days</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2823447"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Smarties? Damn, I used to love those things.</div>
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Just to clarify, in case some were wondering, Smarties in Canada aren't the same as Smarties in the U.S. I believe the Canadian ones aren't vegan, the <a href="http://www.smarties.com/product/vegan/" target="_blank">US brand</a> is vegan.

 

[keishari]

Wait, is this list including milk and egg products as non vegetarian because nutella I thought only had some milk in it and the rest was safe. I can see these things as being non vegan.

 

[runnerveggie]

Sorry, this list sucks. A couple of examples:<br><br><a href="http://productnutrition.thecoca-colacompany.com/products/fanta-orange#ingredients" target="_blank">Fanta orange ingredients (US)</a>: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Sodium Benzoate (to protect taste), Natural Flavors, Modified Food Starch, Sodium Polyphosphates, Glycerol Ester of Rosin, Yellow #6, Brominated Vegetable Oil, Red #40.<br>
Where's the fish? Sure, there's natural flavors. But I doubt they come from fish.<br><br><a href="http://www.smarties.com/product/smarties/" target="_blank">Smarties</a>: Dextrose, Citric Acid, Calcium Stearate, Artificial Flavors, Colors (Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, Blue 2 Lake).<br>
Definitely no fish in Smarties. <a href="http://www.vrg.org/ingredients/index.php#calcium_stearate" target="_blank">Calcium stearate</a> can apparently be from animal or vegetable sources, but it is cow or hog-derived when from animal sources. But, considering the company claims their product to be <a href="http://www.smarties.com/product/vegan/" target="_blank">vegan</a>, it must be vegetable derived.

 

[dividedsky]

As far as I have researched Oreos are vegan. What in the world would make them non-vegetarian?

 

[runnerveggie]

Also, Oreos are vegan. There are some chocolate dipped fancy varieties that are not, but plain Oreos are.

 

[lucky_charm]

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Sorry, this list sucks. A couple of examples:<br><br><a href="http://productnutrition.thecoca-colacompany.com/products/fanta-orange#ingredients" target="_blank">Fanta orange ingredients (US)</a>: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Citric Acid, Sodium Benzoate (to protect taste), Natural Flavors, Modified Food Starch, Sodium Polyphosphates, Glycerol Ester of Rosin, Yellow #6, Brominated Vegetable Oil, Red #40.<br>
Where's the fish? Sure, there's natural flavors. But I doubt they come from fish.<br><br><a href="http://www.smarties.com/product/smarties/" target="_blank">Smarties</a>: Dextrose, Citric Acid, Calcium Stearate, Artificial Flavors, Colors (Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, Blue 2 Lake).<br>
Definitely no fish in Smarties. <a href="http://www.vrg.org/ingredients/index.php#calcium_stearate" target="_blank">Calcium stearate</a> can apparently be from animal or vegetable sources, but it is cow or hog-derived when from animal sources. But, considering the company claims their product to be <a href="http://www.smarties.com/product/vegan/" target="_blank">vegan</a>, it must be vegetable derived.</div>
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This looks like a UK product list, I thought Walkers was called Lays in the US, plus I'm getting RBS ads on the page unless it's just working out from my IP that I'm British.<br><br>
I heard that Fanta in the UK, along with lilt, contains/ contained fish gelatine.<br><br>
UK smarties means a completely different thing than US smarties, and as far as I remember the non-vegetarian ingredient was cochineal (crushed bugs for red food colouring) no idea if they still do this, they're definitely not vegan as it's milk chocolate.

 

[lucky_charm]

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As far as I have researched Oreos are vegan. What in the world would make them non-vegetarian?</div>
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Oreos are not vegan in the UK. I'm not sure what would be in them that is non-vegetarian.<br><br>
(but they are definitely not vegetarian- see below)

 

[runnerveggie]

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This looks like a UK product list, I thought Walkers was called Lays in the US, plus I'm getting RBS ads on the page unless it's just working out from my IP that I'm British.<br><br>
I heard that Fanta in the UK, along with lilt, contains/ contained fish gelatine.<br><br>
UK smarties means a completely different thing than US smarties, and as far as I remember the non-vegetarian ingredient was cochineal (crushed bugs for red food colouring) no idea if they still do this, they're definitely not vegan as it's milk chocolate.</div>
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Ok, fair enough. The OP should specify, because a lot of people are jumping to the wrong conclusions.<br><br>
BTW, <a href="http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/brands/fanta.html" target="_blank">Fanta Orange Great Britain ingredients</a>: Carbonated water, sugar (from beet and/or cane), orange fruit from concentrate (5%), citric acid, vegetable concentrates (carrot, pumpkin), preservative (potassium sorbate), natural orange flavouring with other natural flavourings, sweeteners (sodium saccharin, aspartame), antioxidant (ascorbic acid) acidity regulator (sodium citrate), stabiliser (guar gum). Contains a source of phenylalanine.<br>
No gelatine or anything else that would appear to be animal derived.

 

[mlp]

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marshmallows being on the list was a little shocking to me. that is the only thing on the list that I've consumed in the last month. im a little disappointed.</div>
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There's gelatin in a lot of candies and in many yoghurts and desserts.

 

[lucky_charm]

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Ok, fair enough. The OP should specify, because a lot of people are jumping to the wrong conclusions.<br><br>
BTW, <a href="http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/brands/fanta.html" target="_blank">Fanta Orange Great Britain ingredients</a>: Carbonated water, sugar (from beet and/or cane), orange fruit from concentrate (5%), citric acid, vegetable concentrates (carrot, pumpkin), preservative (potassium sorbate), natural orange flavouring with other natural flavourings, sweeteners (sodium saccharin, aspartame), antioxidant (ascorbic acid) acidity regulator (sodium citrate), stabiliser (guar gum). Contains a source of phenylalanine.<br>
No gelatine or anything else that would appear to be animal derived.</div>
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Maybe the OP didn't know it was UK-based list. It's not really clear.<br><br>
Fair enough on the UK fanta, looks fine to me. It's possible they changed the recipe, but I only heard about the gelatine, and I might have heard wrong. I've seen 'fish gelatine' on cans of lilt though. Can't understand the need- it's carbonated tropical juice, what needs to be in it except juice and fizzy water?

 

[lucky_charm]

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Wait, is this list including milk and egg products as non vegetarian because nutella I thought only had some milk in it and the rest was safe. I can see these things as being non vegan.</div>
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I heard that whey powder in nutella was not vegetarian. Possibly an animal rennet issue. That info related to nutella in the UK.

 

[lucky_charm]

I think the article really does mean non-vegetarian (not non-vegan). Party rings have gelatine in them, cheese flavour walkers and doritos have calf-stomach rennet, caesar dressing contains fish, fruitella, frosted wheats and muller light yoghurts have gelatine, flora omega 3 has fish oil, I think the magnum and carte d'or and other ice creams is something to do with genetically modified eel protein (I know, how on earth do these manufacturers think of this crap- <a href="http://www.slashfood.com/2006/06/26/eel-ice-cream-slimming/" target="_blank">http://www.slashfood.com/2006/06/26/...ream-slimming/</a>) tropicana is to do with the fish oil in their omega 3 stuff, the jam pudding contains more crushed beetles- <a href="http://www.heinz.co.uk/ourfood/pasta/taste-of-home-puddings/taste-of-home-scrumptious-strawberry-jam-pudding" target="_blank">http://www.heinz.co.uk/ourfood/pasta...ry-jam-pudding</a>, and as stated above the issue with the alcohol will be the isinglass fining process.<br><br>
In the UK we are lucky enough to have a pretty comprehensive vegetarian labelling system, pretty much everything that is veggie is labelled as such, so if something made by a big manufacturer (like heinz or nutella) is not labelled vegetarian you should usually assume it's not.<br><br>
Oh yeah and Oreos: <a href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Oreos_vegetarian" target="_blank">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Oreos_vegetarian</a> (or a more reliable source <a href="http://www.oreo.eu/oreo/page?siteid=oreo-prd&locale=uken1&PagecRef=633#ans11" target="_blank">http://www.oreo.eu/oreo/page?siteid=...cRef=633#ans11</a>)

 

[fadeaway1289]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Krystal Pistol</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2823434"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
marshmallows being on the list was a little shocking to me. that is the only thing on the list that I've consumed in the last month. im a little disappointed.</div>
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I'm always intrigued when people say this. There seems to be quite a few people that didn't know things like marshmallows and even jello contain gelatin. Did you know that marshmallows contain gelatin but you were unaware of what gelatin was exactly ?

 

[Krystal Pistol]

I knew that jello contained gelatin but I don't think I ever really thought about what was in marshmallows. I was unaware of what gelatin was to be honest. Hubby informed me of it this morning. And that's ok with me because I wasn't very educated about stuff like this and now every single day I learn multiple new facts about food and what is good and what to avoid.