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I've been a vegan for nearly a year and over that time learnt how to deal with all sorts of criticisms about veganism however something that i still have trouble with and don't know how to respond to is ex veggies/vegans? Especially when they say things like i got sick etc.<br><br><br><br>
I would appreciate any advice.
 

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i used to argue with them...<br><br><br><br>
for instance one of my sisters is a sellout... ooops i mean an ex veggie<br><br><br><br>
i will still argue with her, but random people... i just have no hope or sympathy for<br><br><br><br>
i think that whole line about getting sick is bunch of BS... especially since when i was a veggie i was very sick (i was very anemic) but that was MY fault... I didnt eat right, I didnt make sure i got proper nutrients, it had nothing to do with 'vegetarianism' it had to do with stupidity<br><br>
going vegan forced me to eat a little better, and since then ive been almost healthy, hehe<br><br><br><br>
i guess you have 3 options: argue with them, dont argue with them, and dont argue you with them but also dismiss their claims<br><br>
its up to you what you say<br><br><br><br>
ive gotten a lot more mellow in my old age, and as such dont try to raise hell nearly as much<br><br>
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Explain to them the reasons for your choices (ethical, your health and the environment). That there is an abundance of information availabe that helps to ensure a balanced veg*n diet and narrows the chance of getting sick. You may want to inquire "why" they got sick. Did they eliminate protein? Were they getting enough iron? I feel that if this is the only reason they chose to go back to meat eating, that their original intention my not have been strong enough. For example, were they doing it only to lose weight? If so, that in itself is not a reason to go veg*n. There's the meat industry, dairy farming and environmental impact eating meat has..not to mention killing a life. These are much stronger motivations. Good luck and remember you don't have to justify your choices to anyone.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by scareyvegan</i><br><br><b>i used to argue with them...<br><br><br><br>
for instance one of my sisters is a sellout... ooops i mean an ex veggie<br><br><br><br>
i will still argue with her, but random people... i just have no hope or sympathy for<br><br><br><br>
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I think that what annoys me is the people closer to me for example my borthers girlfriend who went veggie for month and the main problem i have with it is that she spreads her now anti-veg comments to all my other family members (for example my grandmother) who i worked so hard at trying to understand that what i am doing is perfectly healthy. Mind you this female is one of these weird groups of people that won't eat any fruit, her vegetarian month consisted alot of potatos and not much else. Her negative comments include things like i just never full, didn't have any energy and was too expensive.
 

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Well, in her case, it should be pretty obvious to anyone who knows her that she ate stupidly (and still does)! If they can't figure it out on their own, point out to your family members how she ate/eats.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by blueserendipity</i><br><br><b>I've been a vegan for nearly a year and over that time learnt how to deal with all sorts of criticisms about veganism however something that i still have trouble with and don't know how to respond to is ex veggies/vegans? Especially when they say things like i got sick etc.<br><br><br><br>
I would appreciate any advice.</b></div>
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Do you belong to any veg*n organization? If so, maybe your organization should develop some sort of reporting form or survey form for such situations.<br><br><br><br>
At any rate, I'd try to find out what specific problems the person was having while on the veg*n diet, and whether those problems could have been addressed without going off the diet. In other words, just approach the problem dispassionately.<br><br><br><br>
One thing I have not seen statistics on is whether ex-veg*ns are more likely to switch back to veg*nism than the rest of the population. If so, then they should not be shunned or vilified.<br><br><br><br>
We should have an "open door" policy.
 

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I'd pretty much respond by finding out in what way was the person sick. The more questions you ask, the more they're forced to give up their glib attitude and deal with the possibility that they were to blame. It's like computers. I had so many situations with clients who thought their computer was to blame for a problem, when it was actually human error. The hardest thing is getting people to take responsibility for their own actions and mistakes.
 

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I might also say, "well if you decide to try again, I have lots of great recipies and nutritional info" I think many people fail bc they lack this, and they don't know how to cook. These people are excellent for showing your cooking skills and tasty meals around. If they gain some confidence in their ability to feed themselves on a veg diet, they may try again.<br><br><br><br>
Blueserendipity, it almost sounds like your brother's girlfriend is jealous that she couldn't do it. Maybe I am totally wrong, but I would like to think that people generally have (if deep down) admiration for those who can make large lifestyle changes.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Joe</i><br><br><b>more likely to switch back to veg*nism than the rest of the population. If so, then they should not be shunned or vilified.<br><br><br><br>
We should have an "open door" policy.</b></div>
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Oh Joe - I Like you!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
I have two friends who are "ex-veggie, hippy, commune" people.<br><br><br><br>
I love both of them so much, but they smirked when I went vegan.<br><br>
Kind of like "ho-hum - been there, done than - so glad it's over"<br><br>
My feelings were kind of hurt.<br><br>
I think once they realised that - they softened up and gave me advice etc. - and Karen is even now back to experimenting with sprouting and stuff (so that's good!!)
 

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I have a co-worker who recently said, "OH, you're veg? I was veg for 4 years." Of course, I take the bait and say, "Why did you stop?" and he says, "For my health! I was so thin and weak I could barely stand up."<br><br><br><br>
My reply to this (and to similar criticisms) is to say something like this: "Yes, you do have to be careful with a veg*n diet (or any diet) to get the right nutrients and to get enough calories. I've done a lot of research on nutrition and pay close attention to what I eat to make sure that I'm always fit and healthy."<br><br><br><br>
Because, truth be told, there are a lot of unhealthy veg's out there (and omnis) because yes, you can fill up too much on sweets or not get enough protein or not get enough calories. There's no denying that, so I don't even try. I just want to be an example of a healthy veg so people can see how great it can be!
 

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I was going to start a thread about this myself....<br><br><br><br>
Its so annoying when people who tried it for a month just look at you like theres something wrong when you tell them your a veg*n. The I didn't get enough of nutrient A or enough of nutrient B is a load of crap. Its been 4 years for me and I am a very picky eater, yet I am as healthy as ever.<br><br><br><br>
They always say, it won't last. I'll give you 6 months (these are people who don't know how long its been for me). Its as if since they failed at it, they want you to fail too.<br><br><br><br>
I dunno. I realize that arguing about it dosen't change anything either. I don't usually like to hang out with people who say rude things to me or smirk everytime I order a salad so I guess it doesn't matter that much in the long run. I think the problem with alot of these people (the ones I've met anyways) is that they went veg*n for the purpose of dieting not beacuase of the animals. They don't like the diet so they just end it. Thats just the vibe I get from all of those 'I went veg*n for 6 months but I got sick' kind of people.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by dvmarie</i><br><br><b>Oh Joe - I Like you!!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br></b></div>
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Aw, shucks, thanks! The feeling is mutual.<br><br><br><br>
There's plenty of room on the Joe's fan club bus.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
But it seems the "dislike Joe" anti-fan club bus is overcrowded lately. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
But not here on VB. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Yeah, I had a friend who *while eating a big bloody steak in front of me* said he couldn't understand how I could be a vegetarian and survive, saying "I tried to be a vegetarian...I ate fruit for a week and almost starved to death."<br><br>
I think that is the main problem- people have these meat-based diets so deeply rooted that the only thing they can think of to eat without meat is fruit (or bread)! I just smiled and said "well, you have to eat a lot of other things than fruit..." He still can't understand how I have survived the last 7 years <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br>
Okay, that was a little off topic. As for ex-veggies, a lot of them that I know say they missed eating meat. But I am pretty sure that they did it for dieting or for the challenge or something, cause I think once you start thinking about the animals you won't eat meat again...
 

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Well, if you do eat fruit for a week, you probably will starve to death.<br><br><br><br>
There are a lot of people who will say that they tried it for a week, but gave it up because it wasn't convenient. Most ex-veggies I have talked with didn't carry on because it wasn't convenient, or because they missed that chicken sandwich or because they felt like they were missing out on something.<br><br>
And then, there's articles like this:<br><br><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,884227,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...884227,00.html</a>
 

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argh...<br><br>
i wish i hadnt read that article... now im just angry<br><br><br><br>
thats like the creator/owner dude of vegetarian times who was veg*n for over 20 years and decided 'theres only so long you can be veg*n'<br><br><br><br>
Caroline
 

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<div class="quote-block">however something that i still have trouble with and don't know how to respond to is ex veggies/vegans? Especially when they say things like i got sick etc.</div>
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Respect their decision, just as you would expect them to respect yours.<br><br><br><br>
As far as discussing their reasons, they have every right to believe whatever they wish to. They are <b>their</b> reasons, not yours. Trying to force people to change their beliefs, rarely works in my experience. No sense in wasting energy trying.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by blueserendipity</i><br><br><b>Her negative comments include things like i just never full, didn't have any energy and was too expensive.</b></div>
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Those are all really valid arguements, and very common of americanized eaters, and shouldn't be dismissed. It sounds to me like this person tried to keep her same diet when she became vegan. IE buying meat replacements, etc, but eating basically the same things. I wouldn't worry about getting her to go back to becoming vegan, but I would try to help her reduce the amount of meat she eats, get her to try new foods, and get her to eat more fruits and veggies. But it's hard to do all that, you have to make easy, cheap, and fun.
 
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