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I was a little surprised when I found out that famous naturalist Sir David Attenborough eats meat. This isn't a rant at him for his disposition, just a little surprised that a man so in touch with nature would eat unnaturally. Plus there might be people who don't know this, and be equally as surprised.
 

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Because Mankind is not designed to eat meat.</div>
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Evidence, please. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm not going to go into this in great depth, but I'll raise some basic points. Although of course, my information emanates from another source, like any other.<br><br><br><br>
- The length of a human's small intestine shows that it's designed for disgesting plant material only, when compared to the average size of a human's body length (head to tail bone).<br><br><br><br>
- Only herbivores have an appendix.<br><br><br><br>
- Humans have poor stamina, and therefore not designed to prey on other animals.<br><br><br><br>
- Poorly chewed food is not handled well by the Human esophagus. 90% of the people who choke to death, choke on meat.<br><br><br><br>
- The similar style of teeth with other herbivores.<br><br><br><br>
- And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food." - Genesis 1:29 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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This does not surprise me. In one of his older series (perhaps 'The Living Planet', but I'm unsure) he describes human beings as a carnivorous species and compares our dietary habits with the behavior of animal predators.<br><br><br><br>
He has also highlighted the ways modern agriculture has changed animals and harmed the environment, but like most people stopped short of suggesting a change in diet in response.<br><br><br><br>
I would venture to say most nature series stars eat animals. Steve Irwin, for example, did commercials for Subway. I am not aware of the late Mr. Irwin's diet, but seeing as he was highlighting fast-food meat sandwiches it's probably pretty easy to guess.
 

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Does anyone else assume that "intelligent" people are vegetarian? I do, and I know it's horribly biased of me, and snobby to boot. Yet when I read a magazine article or watch an interview about someone I consider smart and admirable, I always feel a little surprised when they mention eating meat. A terrible attitude, I know. Just wondering if anyone else shares it.
 

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He was voted Greatest Living British Icon, beating out Sir Paul McCartney. I suppose that surprises me, since I am not familiar with Sir David--much more familiar with his brother, Sir Richard.
 

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Yes, I associate atheism, vegetarianism, a love for the exotic and less common in life (I keep Borzoi dogs, for example), appreciation of fine art, time spent in Europe, etc with intelligence... they all tend to go together in most of the people I spend time with. Snobby? YES... but, guilty as charged.
 

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Does anyone else assume that "intelligent" people are vegetarian? I do, and I know it's horribly biased of me, and snobby to boot. Yet when I read a magazine article or watch an interview about someone I consider smart and admirable, I always feel a little surprised when they mention eating meat. A terrible attitude, I know. Just wondering if anyone else shares it.</div>
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I have that attitude too... I dont know why. I lose faith and interest in famous people when I find out things about them I dont agree with. Like celebrities wearing fur for example. Not that I'm obsessed with famous people or anything, I just think they should use their fame for a good cause and they could probably do things to change the world for the better. Yet a lot dont.
 

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I'm not surprised when someone who appreciates nature (or works to preserve it) is not a veg*n. My impression is that people like that tend to have an aesthetic and holistic attitude to animals, as opposed to the ethical and individualistic attitude of many ethical veg*ns (especially AR advocates).
 

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I remember reading in one of Isaac Asimov's (a prolific and, in my mind, intelligent chap) autobiographies that he essentially said that he knew it was cruel to eat animals but he tried not to think about it because he enjoyed eating meat. Intelligence and compassion don't always go together I guess.
 

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I've met very few people I'd consider natural omnivores.<br><br>
In order to be an omnivore you must be willing to kill with your own teeth or "claws". You must be able to grab an animal in your teeth and then eat them. A dead animal laying on the ground should make you hungry.<br><br>
When you see a smaller animal, you should start getting filled with desire to hunt and kill that animal for food.<br><br><br><br>
If you can't follow through with this behavior, you are no true omnivore or carnivore. If you can and do...then meat eating is natural for you.
 

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This topic comes up quite a bit. I dont see how it is important or useful. Up to about 1-200 years ago, eating a big salad was considered freakish, and only poor people ate a vegetable-only meal because they could not afford meat-- not because they thought eating it was unnatural. The exceptions have been certain religious orders (esssenes, possible some Budhists).<br><br><br><br>
If humans couldnt eat meat, they wouldnt eat meat. They can, so they do. If an animal canot biologically digest certain molecules they will create them within their own body. Eating meat and vegetables is called omnivorism-- humans are omnivores.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- The length of a human's small intestine shows that it's designed for disgesting plant material only, when compared to the average size of a human's body length (head to tail bone).</div>
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Herbivores have multiple stomachs-- see cows, and the length of human intestine compares to that of other omnivores like dogs. In fact, humans have some trouble dealing with too much fiber.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- Only herbivores have an appendix.</div>
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We have a vestigial appendix left over from a time when we ate "more" not nescessarily "all" leaves, twigs and dirt. A doctor will tell you that the appendix is no longer used in the digestion process and often becomes infected when random bits of food get caught in it. And Monkeys-- most who are omnivores (fruit/insect protien/ some meat) have appendixes.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- Humans have poor stamina, and therefore not designed to prey on other animals.</div>
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Humans were more likely eating small meat animals like snails and lizards-- not large animals unless they found them already dead (scavengers). There is plenty of evidence of large hunts which humans participated in using flint spear points and so on. There is enough archeaologic proof that humans evolved near water and shores where there are plentiful sea-food like goose neck barnicles and small animals (snails, slugs, snakes). Assays of bone human material have verified that the diet of early humans contained between 30-and 50% meat protien (seafood and insects most likely). Fishing and digging for oysters also does not take a lot of stamina-- but it takes a lot of patience.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- Poorly chewed food is not handled well by the Human esophagus. 90% of the people who choke to death, choke on meat.</div>
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I would only say this reflects that most people are eating meat at the time they choke. Thats why you are supposed to chew your food. I am sure a person would choke on a carrot too if it wasent chewed.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- The similar style of teeth with other herbivores.</div>
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There are a lot of tooth styles-- we look more like insectovores than herbavores. In fact, we look like omnivores-- amazing.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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- And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food." - Genesis 1:29 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"></div>
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If I had used a bible quote as evidence in a scientific paper, I would have gotten an "F" on the paper where I went to school, or at least the teacher would have pulled me aside and to go over acceptable source material. The bible is not a scientific reference, it is a religious document. The logic is of course If you can use one bible as a reference source, you can use all bibles as reference sources. The good news is, you can think whatever you want. lol.<br><br><br><br>
Vegetarianism is a compassionate choice reflecting our nature as thoughtful animals. I believe that this idea is much more worthy than being born only being able to eat certain things. I think if you want to prove the biological link, you need to do it at a molecular level. The fact that humans need B-12, protien, iron is unfortunately proof that they need to eat at least a minor amount of animal material. These days there are suppliments, so more people can avoid eating meat if they wish-- but in days when vitamin pills were not available, and not getting B-12 could kill you, it was a good idea to eat some kind of "meat."<br><br><br><br>
The Dali Lama also eats meat--
 

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I've met very few people I'd consider natural omnivores.<br><br>
In order to be an omnivore you must be willing to kill with your own teeth or "claws". You must be able to grab an animal in your teeth and then eat them. A dead animal laying on the ground should make you hungry.<br><br>
When you see a smaller animal, you should start getting filled with desire to hunt and kill that animal for food.<br><br><br><br>
If you can't follow through with this behavior, you are no true omnivore or carnivore. If you can and do...then meat eating is natural for you.</div>
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Really? Where did you find that definition?
 

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I guess it kind of does suck that someone who is so close to nature can have the gall to destroy it through their diet. Although some of the most intelligent people known to mankind were vegetarians. Albert Einstein and Leonardo DaVinci are two examples, and there are many others.
 

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I've met very few people I'd consider natural omnivores.<br><br>
In order to be an omnivore you must be willing to kill with your own teeth or "claws". You must be able to grab an animal in your teeth and then eat them. A dead animal laying on the ground should make you hungry.<br><br>
When you see a smaller animal, you should start getting filled with desire to hunt and kill that animal for food.<br><br><br><br>
If you can't follow through with this behavior, you are no true omnivore or carnivore. If you can and do...then meat eating is natural for you.</div>
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Maybe humans were scavengers? I know plenty of people (may i add, men) who will happily pick up random food/drink they see on the floor.
 
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