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Came across this in the news today...<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">According to government advice, I was doing everything right and yet my health had never been worse. My weight had crept up over the years, until in 2008 I was 14½ stone which is a lot of blubber for someone who is 5ft 10in and was classified as clinically obese. ... But that was about to change. In 2010, I decided to give up my supposedly healthy lifestyle and embrace good old-fashioned meat.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2105132/Damn-low-fat-diet-How-reformed-vegan-John-Nicholson-gorges-foods-granny-enjoyed--felt-better.html" target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...lt-better.html</a>
 

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I've learned that pretty much anything posted on The Daily Mail is a load of bull****.
 

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Since when does vegan have to be "low fat?"<br><br>
He talks about the quack Weston Price Foundation. That's code for "I got tired of being a vegan and now I'm looking for pseudo science to support my meat eating."<br><br>
That instantaneous changes he reports are the same as the reports of several very public anti vegans who found Weston Price and claim miraculous healing -<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span style="font-size:small;"><span>Quote:</span></span>
<div class="quote-block"><span style="font-size:small;">From that day on, I ate red meat four or five days a week. I gobbled the fat on chops, chicken skin and pork crackling. I feasted on everything we’re told to avoid. The effects were instant.</span></div>
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<div class="quote-block"><span style="font-size:small;">Twenty-four hours after eating meat again, all my IBS symptoms had gone. As the weeks and months passed, every aspect of my health improved dramatically...</span><br><span style="font-size:small;">It felt like being young again, like coming back to life. But though I felt energised, I was also furious.</span></div>
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Who knew that animal cruelty could provide so many benefits? What a dick.<br><br>
That's the problem with health vegans though - the next diet fad that comes along they'll jump on it. And not just wade into it and add a little meat back, but go all out and have copious amounts of meat at every meal, which is typical of WP followers.
 

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He basically says in the article that as a vegan all he ate was starches and processed food, which obviously isn't good for one self. Also he mentions how his grandmother says never to trust food in a factory because one doesn't know what is in it. Being that most of our food today comes from factories, no wonder so many are becoming fat and/or sick....
 

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Once he starts eating lots of meat -<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">I became leaner, shedding body fat and becoming stronger and fitter.</div>
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Now how can it be that vegans are thinner than meat eaters on average, if plant foods supposedly pack on the pounds so dramatically?
 

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He must be the first person ever whose IBS was helped by meat-eating. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>LedBoots</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3109395"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
He must be the first person ever whose IBS was helped by meat-eating. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"></div>
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Agreed. This article sounds like a load of crock.... it sounds like he was eating foods that are unhealthy to eat on a regular basis, whether you are vegan or not.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>LedBoots</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3109395"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
He must be the first person ever whose IBS was helped by meat-eating. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"></div>
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Yeah I've got IBS too and it's one of the main reasons I went vegetarian. Meat is really bad for my symptoms.<br><br>
What a load of nonsense..
 

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That was just silly, I ain't even mad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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The last Daily Mail news article I read talked about the Russian scientists drilling into the sub-glacial lake in Antarctica and how they might come across the secret base hidden beneath the ice that was set up by Nazis who escaped in a submarine at the end of WW2. Fantastic stuff.... Just saying.
 

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No creature is more annoying than an ex-vegan-turned-meat evangelist.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Werewolf Girl</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3109453"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That was just silly, I ain't even mad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"></div>
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I was thinking the same thing!
 

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It is an unhappy fact that veganism can, indeed, be bad for total and utter idiots.<br><br>
Like if your too dumb to remember the five food groups that give you all a body needs you are much safer just eating somethings elses body.
 

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Of course Veganism can be bad for you. Any diet can if you dont do it right <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:">
 

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You know, it probably doesn't help that some of the vegan speakers and nutritionists with the biggest platform spout lies about health, such as the oft repeated line about all oils being bad for you, etc. We have to actually honestly evaluate the information that's out there. The majority of "reformed" vegans and vegetarians backslide because they don't feel they're as healthy as they should be, and they had often been following diets that were incomplete nutritionally.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sleepydvdr</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111511"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If veg*ns had an arch enemy, it would be Weston Price. When I see that name, I know some B.S. is just around the corner.</div>
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Not necessarily. Even as a vegan I don't discount anyone's opinion automatically. As with any researcher (Campbell and Esselstyn included) there are pearls of wisdom to be gleaned and there are some biased findings that one must criticize and ultimately discard. Although obviously I am in the veg*n camp on this one, Weston Price does push for whole unprocessed foods and I am a strong advocate of that.
 

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I didn't read the article linked to in the first post, so maybe this question has already been addressed in it, but: was the author sensitive to wheat products? I don't know that veganism would be impossible in that case, but surely it would be much more difficult.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Digger</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3111762"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Not necessarily. Even as a vegan I don't discount anyone's opinion automatically. As with any researcher (Campbell and Esselstyn included) there are pearls of wisdom to be gleaned and there are some biased findings that one must criticize and ultimately discard. Although obviously I am in the veg*n camp on this one, Weston Price does push for whole unprocessed foods and I am a strong advocate of that.</div>
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The Weston Price foundation grasps onto BS "science" and unvalidated opinions such that every single thing they say must be taken with a truckload of salt. Their promotion of that unethical Kenyan "study" on starving children demolished any credibility or claim to thoughtfulness they may ever have had. (In which some undernourished children were given meat, and some no supplementation despite being B-12 and iron deprived, and the children given meat did better than the other starving children who weren't getting adequate nutrients, so they concluded that veganism must be bad for children...).
 
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