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I'm wondering if I should do this. I want to be vegan, but it's hard. I'm like 50% there. I don't drink milk or eat eggs, but sometimes eat stuff that contains it. I really love yogurt and ice cream and haven't found a good enough sub yet. I was only using honey cuz it's natural but if there's a better substitute I'd love to try it. Should I just be a half vegan?
 

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Or you can keep trying new subs to see what you'll like, a slow progression as it were. If you're doing your legitimate best that you can *at that moment* then you're doing awesome.
 

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Or you can keep trying new subs to see what you'll like, a slow progression as it were. If you're doing your legitimate best that you can *at that moment* then you're doing awesome.</div>
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This. There's nothing wrong with taking the process forward slowly... Just stick with it and keep figuring out what you like/don't like. I really like <a href="http://sodeliciousdairyfree.com/products/product.php?p=so_delicious_yogurt_soy_agave_blueberry" target="_blank">these yogurts</a> but I think it was maybe you who said you weren't big on coconut? If so, have you tried <a href="http://www.wholesoyco.com/" target="_blank">this brand</a>?? I really like them...
 

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I use agave instead of honey and blending frozen bananas makes a great substitute for ice cream. You can even add peanut butter or chocolate syrup.
 

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It took me AGES to go fully vegan with a lot of going back and forth and slip ups and cheats and mistakes, it's a learning process for sure.<br><br>
If you're 50% there right now maybe just keep going with that for awhile until you feel more comfortable with it? Force of habit is a powerful thing, the more you eat a certain way the more natural it becomes until it would feel weird and uncomfortable to go back. Once the level you're at now gets to that point where it's habit and you don't think about it you can try going a little further. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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You're doing fine. Just pace yourself. You obviously understand that you're headed in a direction away from eggs and dairy, and hopefully you understand why this is a good thing. Don't obsess over small details right now. Just keep doing what you're doing and learning more.
 

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I use agave instead of honey and blending frozen bananas makes a great substitute for ice cream. You can even add peanut butter or chocolate syrup.</div>
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Hey, my niece (an omni) and I were talking yesterday and she mentioned that she tried mashing bananas and freezing them and it was one of the best things she's ever had, and it had the exact consistancy of ice cream! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Besides the coconut ones, the rice milk ice creams are great too. Anything really is a step in the right direction. Although for me what sealed the deal is how much better my health was after ditching the animal products. Not to mention that on a vegan diet, it's virtually impossible to overload on saturated fats.
 

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What everyone already said. You're doing great<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'm wondering if I should do this.</div>
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I see that you don't eat soy. There are rice, hemp, and coconut ice creams, coconut yogurts, and maybe others, I haven't checked recently.<br><br>
I use agave in place of honey.<br><br>
Some- maybe most - vegans never get to "perfection" in terms of trace ingredients when they're eating away from home (e.g. something like not checking the ingredients of bread at a restaurant, where the waiter might not even know...). Just keep trying to do your best <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Ok I'm gonna be harsh here, and give you some constructive advice.<br><br>
Don't "cut yourself some slack." Veganism isn't some fast that you're doing. It isn't punishment. It isn't even hard.<br><br>
Veganism isn't doing something "good". Since it is absolutely, entirely, catergorically, 100% unnecessary, eating <i>any</i> animal product is actively <b>wrong</b>. Where do you think all the male baby animals go? Everytime you eat an egg, some of the male chicks that are gassed died for <i>you</i>. Everytime you eat dairy, some of the calves taken from the mothers and slaughtered for veal died for <i>you</i>. The dairy/egg and meat industries are permanently intertwined, and it is impossible to separate them. Animal farming is also a major contibutor to world hunger, and global warming and other environmental calamities.<br><br>
It really isn't difficult to be vegan, I've been one for 5 years. I've been in the same position as you, too, I tried 3 times before I made it. The big mistake I made was cutting foods out and not adding anything new in. When I did add something new in, it would be to try to continue my old diet, only with substitutes. But eventually I realised, there are already ample vegan meals and recipes out there, nothing has to be substituted, we already have everything we need, you just need to look. It takes about 2-3 months to learn (provided you add foods in and don't just cut things out) and then you'll never go back.<br><br>
I've found that almost all vegan ice-creams taste exactly the same as real dairy. I eat one called Rice Cream which is soya-free but I can't find it on the internet.<br><br>
Honey is bee vomit. It is most certainly natural.. for bees. The honey taken from their hives is replaced with a nutritionally poor substitute (honey is their food), which makes them ill. They ritually slaughter bees every two years. It isn't without death.<br><br>
I haven't found any good yoghurts, although I didn't exactly look hard. The Alpro soya ones were over-sugary and really gross. Sorbets and frozen pureed fruit could be an alternative if you can't find anything. A new centrifugal force machine thingy (that I read about in a science magazine) has been invented which has the power to turn vegetable products creamy, paving the way for realistic dairy subsititutes. Posh restaurants have already started to buy them so it's only a matter of time before good replacements are a common reality.<br><br>
When you eat out and ask for something vegan, they usually say no or offer you salad. This is because they automatically think vegans eat something "different" or "weird" that they don't serve, like birdseed and tofu or something lol. However, from experience a lot of places actually <i>do</i> have something vegan, even if they don't know it!<br><br>
When finding vegan recipes, look on the internet, especially for foreign foods like south-east Asian and Indian, which have many recipes that are incidentally vegan. I haven't looked myself but apparently Ethiopian and Egyptian diets have a lot of vegan recipes. Most foreign food actually has a lot of vegan options, if you look. Most foreign food presented to us these days is geared to be appealing to typical westerners, ie meaty. Remember that most places never ate a lot of meat until recently, as it's expensive, and most places never ate dairy, as most of the world is intolerant, so you have to do your research and find <i>real</i> ethnic cooking and not just watered down stuff that has been altered for western tastes.<br><br>
I haven't found any useful vegan cookbooks (but I only have a few). They are unhelpful because they try to be everything for everyone - gluten free, soya-free, low-calorie etc etc and the recipes end up being... crappy. I have one recipe book where all the meals seem to be below 300 calories!<br><br>
By being a vegetarian you have already reduced the number of animals that died for you, just by reducing the mass of animal products that you eat, so you are already doing well. And your health will be better too, but bear in mind that the homo sapiens wasn't designed to drink the milk of the wrong species. Dairy products have been strongly linked to all kinds of health problems, including cancer and osteoporosis, amongst other serious ailments. The dairy industry would have us believe that a bodily fluid designed for the young of an enormous ruminent is absolutely vital for our health.<br><br>
Keep it up, remember there are already millions of vegans in the world, if we can do it, so can you, people are all the same, the only difference is in the mind! And the human mind is the most powerful thing in the world! Mother Nature designed us to be herbivores and she makes no mistakes!<br><br>
Doing what's right isn't always easy but it is always right. And very soon you'll find it easy anyway. Good Luck!
 

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I went cold turkey Vegan (cut off all meat oriented products at the same time) 2 weeks ago. I personally found it alot easier than I thought it would be, thanks in good part to the Vegan forum. I would find 1 or more stores that carry Vegan products, such as the Silk vanilla coffee creamer, Earth Balance marg, and other things Vegan. I found them in the least expected places, so don't automatically rule out drug stores and other stores that you wouldn't normally think that carries Vegan items, as you might be surprised. Don't beat yourself up if you do slip up, as even the best of us do this on rare occasions. So long as you are making a committed decision to going Vegan, then in time you will be able to achieve this if you preservere.
 

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^You are making that mistake I just posted about... concentrating on substitutes... wrong way to go about it...</div>
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There is not necessarily a right or wrong way to go vegan. I think you gave a lot of good advice but substitutes (especially soya mince, marge, soya milk and soya cream) were a huge help for me when I went vegan.
 

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There is not necessarily a right or wrong way to go vegan. I think you gave a lot of good advice but substitutes (especially soya mince, marge, soya milk and soya cream) were a huge help for me when I went vegan.</div>
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I totally agree. Some people simply enjoy some cream in their coffee or tea or margarine on their toast. Not to mention that a lot of recipes call for vegan margarine for baked goods. Just because you become vegan doesn't mean you have to give up everything you used to love. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I agree. I have to admit that I love the Earth Balance marg alot better than the standard one the rest of the family uses. Besides the Soy coffee cream is better for me than dairy version and I like it alot. Otherwise for the tofu I use a couple of times a week, tend by nature not to use Soy based products, not even the fake meat ones. For me it made the transition to Vegan alot easier, and I'm not missing dairy. Maybe it's just me, but I've found the transition from Vegetarian to Vegan easy, thanks in part to the advice and tips I received from this forum.
 

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I know what you mean about not really trying hard to avoid non-vegan things IN products. Maybe your favourite cereal contains honey, maybe your favourite pastry product has egg in it. It's frustrating, but eventually you learn to find brands that don't contain these things, or you'll find an amazing vegan recipe that is close to your favourite pastry product (I have a great one for poptarts, takes 10 minutes tops to make). It does take some extra work, and you will find that you'll need to do more in the kitchen to get what you want, but it's all part of being vegan. Instead of looking at it as an inconvenience, think of it as a blessing: I find that I love cooking now, and I also love to bake. Also a lot of things that contain non-vegan products, aren't necessarily good for you, and so refraining from eating those items in the food, you are in turn doing yourself a favour; think doughnuts, cakes, cheese puffs, fatty creamy coffee, frozen meals, processed junk food, chocolate bars etc. These things you want to be avoiding anyway because of calories and lack of nutrition and crap, so you're giving yourself extra motivation to avoid them <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Saramus what's that pop tart recipe? I haven't had any in over a year except this weeked I was really craving them. Then my stomach started hurting. I have a recipe but it took like all day to make.,
 

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There is not necessarily a right or wrong way to go vegan. I think you gave a lot of good advice but substitutes (especially soya mince, marge, soya milk and soya cream) were a huge help for me when I went vegan.</div>
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I agree, how many or little substitutes you want to use is dependent on you and your lifestyle. My mom didn't want to buy me substitutes in the first month of me going vegan. I think she didn't think I'd make it that long, so she didn't want to spend a lot of money on special things like that if I was just going through a phase. Now I see the bright side of things because I realized I don't need substitutes when I didn't think about them, but now that I'm beginning to try some of them, I also see how it makes veganism more interesting and they can also be helpful in trying new recipes.<br><br><br>
I went from omni to vegan cold turkey, and my biggest advice is focusing on what you <i>can</i> eat, not what you <i>can't</i>. Your attitude plays a big part in your outlook on veganism, you kind of have to try to clear your mind to avoid cravings. Instead of craving you can direct that to your favorite new vegan foods. When you start thinking about your favorite omni foods, you'll just make yourself upset and it won't help at all.
 

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I'm wondering if I should do this. I want to be vegan, but it's hard. I'm like 50% there. I don't drink milk or eat eggs, but sometimes eat stuff that contains it. I really love yogurt and ice cream and haven't found a good enough sub yet. I was only using honey cuz it's natural but if there's a better substitute I'd love to try it. Should I just be a half vegan?</div>
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You can't be a half-vegan, there's no such thing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> but you can be a vegetarian until you get more practice in and gain more knowledge and confidence in what you are doing/how you're living. Keep trying different brands of subs like soy yogurt and ice-cream etc because there are many varieties and some brands taste better than others.
 

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This. There's nothing wrong with taking the process forward slowly...</div>
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Or maybe there is! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
Seriosuly though, tehre is another way of doing it fast yet slowly. Be full vegan, 100% all the way through for a certain time period. Let's say three weeks, or a two months or five days or whatever you're comfortable with. Stick to it very strictly for that time period becasue this will teach you how hard (or probably easy) it is to be a fairly strict vegan and if you do it for a long ehough period you might notice some benefits too (feeling better, eating better, saving money).<br><br>
Anyway, that's what I did and that's how I got hooked. I was of course already a vegetarian, the step wasn't huge, but I had been afraid to take it for almost 20 years. So I decided to give it three months, and was a 100% (or perhaps 99%) vegan during this time. Turned out to be much easier that I had thought. Going step by step you might not notice this but be more focused on all the little "problems" that come up.
 
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