[germanmade]

What does it mean exactly??? Is it "Vegan"????<br><br><br><br>
I was looking for new clogs since my old ones were leather. Anyway, I was on rawganique . com and was looking at there winter jackets it said it was hemp-wool plush inner. In the description it said it used cruelty-free wool. I'm Confused. Please help <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/help.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":help:">

 

[Gita]

here are some links--<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=55" target="_blank">www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=55</a><br><br><a href="http://www.peta.org/feat/woollybully/" target="_blank">www.peta.org/feat/woollybully/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.savethesheep.com/getActive.asp" target="_blank">www.savethesheep.com/getActive.asp</a>

 

[germanmade]

Thanks but that doesnt really help me. I know wool isnt "vegan" and i know Everything about wool and what sheeps are put through. But what does cruelty-free mean. <b>How can any kind of wool be cruelty free????</b>

 

[Ludi]

I'm planning to raise cruelty-free wool. Later this month I'm getting two Jacob sheep. These will be neutered males, and kept basically as companion animals. There's absolutely no reason wool can not be produced cruelty free, since both sexes are equally capable of supporting themselves.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
My guys will look somewhat like the pic below when mature, they are both four-horned.

 

[germanmade]

Never mind I just called the company and they said its basiclly an organic farm they rome free and are only sheered once a year "gently". ......... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/veganpolice.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":notvegan:"><br><br><br><br>
So looks like im looking else were for a winter jacket

 

[Ludi]

What is wrong with shearing, in your opinion?

 

[GhostUser]

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What is wrong with shearing, in your opinion?</div>
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I'm wondering the same also? If the sheep aren't harmed or hurt or put under any stress, I don't really see anything wrong with it.

 

[ketivnilloc]

the keyword is "if" in a perfect world they wouldn't be hurt but they probably are hurt in the shearing process. and many times in shearing fur, skin gets sheared off.

 

[froggythefrog]

I would think it would mean the sheep roam free, aren't bred for extra folds in their skin, and are sheared to the skin in a manner similar to the way I shave my dog's hair short in the summer.<br><br><br><br>
I suspect there aren't any regulations that would guarentee this is the case.

 

[Ludi]

In the case of any "cruelty free" product, you really do have to know the person raising the animals and see the process yourself to know for sure.<br><br><br><br>
Many areas have spinner and weaver guilds and people who raise specialty wool for these artists. These are the people to get to know to find cruelty free wool products.

 

[Shantih]

I see cruelty free wool several times a week - the owner of the stables I work at owns 7 sheep (and recently, two lambs) who roam around freely, get personal attention - each one comes when called, and I've witnessed them being sheared a few times, and their skin is never cut, they don't even kick up much fuss because they're so used to being handled. They'll never be sent to slaughter, he'll keep them all and they'll die at home, with their friends. Of course, I can't see that happening in many places. I expect cruelty free pretty much means organic, so they're allowed to roam freely.<br><br><br><br>
I'd say shearing is a good thing - just before it, their coats are huge, it's pretty funny, but I suspect they find it a lot easier to move around once they've been sheared.

 

[troub]

cruelty free wool is called "cotton"

 

[Sevenseas]

I don't think wool is vegan.

 

[Ludi]

Wool and cotton have very different qualities as fiber, if you're interested to know...<br><br><br><br>
Wool keeps you warm, cotton keeps you cool.<br><br><br><br>
Cotton is one of the most damaging crops.<br><br><br><br>
Sheep are one of the most damaging grazers.

 

[troub]

I fear december, because I will freeze without the warmth of sheep fur.

 

[troub]

can you get cruelty-free mink ? Like free-ranged mink? I would love to wear the skins and furs of softer animals.

 

[Ludi]

I don't think wool and fur can really be compared, unless you're talking about angora rabbit, which is fur taken from live rabbits.<br><br><br><br>
I know you like joking in that way, but, I'm not sure that it really aids the conversation, you know?

 

[Shantih]

I don't think you can compare wool with mink fur, since sheep don't need to be skinned, they can walk away from being sheared quite happily. Do you have any knowledge about sheep? They need to be sheared, the coat doesn't stop growing at a certain point or get naturally kept in check, since they aren't in the wild. It's like not trimming horses hooves, admittedly it's not as severe in the long run, but when these animals are domesticated, we need to do these things for their welfare.<br><br><br><br>
I don't wear wool, since it would be a bother to track down the journey of the wool from these particular sheep, and then see if it's used to make clothes I'd wear. I'm just saying that wool can be obtained from cruelty free sources.

 

[Ludi]

I think most cruelty free wool is probably actually "cruelty-lite" in that in most cases (I'm guessing) the tails are docked and males neutered without anesthesia.

 

[troub]

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They need to be sheared, the coat doesn't stop growing at a certain point or get naturally kept in check, since they aren't in the wild.</div>
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What ever did they do before humans?<br><br><br><br>
The same way deer NEED to get killed because of overpopulation?<br><br><br><br>
Thank God we have such caring humans to warden over the animal kingdom, they would be lost without us.