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Yeah, the objectification of animals for your pleasure has been bothering me, too. Not to pile on or anything, but it's fairly inconsistent with the abolitionist AR standpoint.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>MmmmVeggies</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I want to add that I am open to changing my mind about PETA... and open to really have some good discussion on this matter. Please understand that it has been POUNDED into my head for literally a decade that they are dog hating evil people who want to take my puppy out of my arms. Like many issues- that extreme concept is certainly false. Even I know that it isn't like that... but that's how I was raised and taught about them by my family and my dog people friends who in truth know nothing about PETA. And that is pretty much the common view of them among dog folks.<br><br><br><br>
On the other end are the people who know nothing about dog shows and think it's some cruel circus type event where dogs are displayed against their will and mass produced for money- nothing could be further from the turth, and actual show quality, show bred, champion sired dogs account for less than 1% of the canine population, and virtually 0% of the homeless pet population. Such animals are not offered for sale in stores, in newspaper ads, or other such irresponsible venues. They are sold before they are born via word of mouth, with contracts, to approved, inspected homes.<br><br><br><br>
Show dogs are beautifully conditioned, fed the best diets, kept in the most fit and healthy weight, and receive far more knowledgeable care than most non show dogs, bc their owners are experts and their dogs are their whole life in many cases. Show dogs love going for car rides, getting all the attention, and spending a day with their special people. I'm not trying to convince anyone here that showing dogs is great- my point is that both sides misunderstand one another big time.<br><br><br><br>
I have much to learn about the AR movement that I long to be involved in, having come full circle from literally "another world" where AR people are considered the enemy. So I want to apologize if I offended and say I really want to learn <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> I DO agree with almost every thing I have seen on the PETA site, which I have spent hours browsing.<br><br><br><br>
My point really is that by harnessing the interest and passion of pet lovers, including those involved in the hobby of dogs, PETA and other groups could get a lot more involvement IMO... so how does one go about educating people like me (but with much more closed minds) that PETA is a good organization?<br><br><br><br>
I am in complete support of their stance on Veganism and everything behind it and most of their other viewpoints. This is a learning process for me, so thanks for your patience <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Why can't show dog owners show mutts? There are plenty of beutiful, smart dogs who nead homes, even if they arn't pure bread. Even if the show dog people: as loving and caring as they are: were to bread a few less pups once every three years, and adopt those pups instead (How many puppies are born on average at a time? Let's say 6, for the example), six dogs wouldn't be killed per show dog owner every 3 years. How many show dog owners are there? If the average were 2 dogs per owner per year, and there are 300,000show dog owners in the US alone, that would be 600,000 dogs not killed per year.<br><br><br><br>
But granted, I truelly know nothing about the treatment of show dogs. If, as you say, they live such wonderful lives, then I'm happy for the show dogs (the ones who enjoy there "job"), but not for the 2 dogs/owner/year that are killed because they can't find a loving home.
 

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Okay, so even though I have contributed to the off topic parts of this thread, can we get back on topic?<br><br><br><br>
In order to move on properly, would everyone please agree that they will not steal dogs from a dog show and dump them on a busy road, as that only hurts the dogs in the end, and leads to more pups being bread to replace the missing dog that was killed by an AR activist? Okay, so you don't nead to post that you agree, lets just move on...<br><br><br><br>
Does anyone want to join me at a "sit-in" at McDonalds, where we sit down and refuse to leave until they start deep frieing the fries in olive oil?<br><br><br><br>
^ That's a joke, people!^<br><br><br><br>
So, I'm out of ideas. Any thoughts of how we can be more activist then the "happy, healthy, just-keep-smilling" etc AR activists?
 
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