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Maybe instead of making a food choice for your pet you should let them choose for themselves. Try offering them a meat-based dinner and a vegetable, grain-based meal and see which one They prefer. And speaking of grain-based food, Dogs were never meant to eat grains. Their main diet in the wild is raw meat and vegetation. The only grains they ever get are from the stomach or the bowels of their prey, Yuk, but true. Grain-based foods are the main cause of yeast infections in dogs. Symptoms include: chronic ear infections, incessant licking of the genitals and paws, lick granulomas, habitual scratching, usually the ears, sides of torso and underbelly, rashes, most often on the underbelly, and when the yeast begins to move into the head,loss of hearing, loss of eyesight, loss of balance, obsessive behaviors such as walking in circles, doing good or bad behaviors redundantly, loss of intelligence, memory{jeez, maybe I have a systemic yeast infection too}, and comprehension. Yeast infections always start somewhere in the digestive system, then they move to the genital area, on to the ears, then finally the brain, taking over the entire body. It is insidious. Ok I have to stop this rant cause it is starting to freak ME out. Anywho, just do the best you can for your pets and give 'em all a big hug for me.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hug:">
 

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I feed my cats a meat based diet.<br><br>
But I assure you if I let them choose, they would choose <i>both</i>. That doesn't mean they want a 50/50 omnivorous diet. It means they are <i>greedy</i>. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I feed my dogs Wellness, and I choose the chicken meat type. Since we have to drive far to buy Wellness, when it runs out we buy Beneful. My husky seems to be sensitive to grains because she scratches her ears a lot when she is eating grain based food. What dog food do you feed your dogs? Wellness does have grains in it, but it is meat based.
 

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It sounds like this is your roundabout way of saying that you're someone who doesn't agree with veg*n diets for dogs?<br><br><br><br>
"Letting them choose" based on which tastes better is not really the responsible way to feed dogs, or any other being that one is responsible for (like kids). One does their best with the nutrition info and values that they have. Because ultimately, YOU are choosing anyway. Dogs do not eat kibble in the wild.
 

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The day I see dogs and cats out grazing in a corn field is when I will feed them a veg*n diet.<br><br><br><br>
That said I do not agree with feeding them most of the kibble that is out there either
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Ayrlin</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The day I see dogs and cats out grazing in a corn field is when I will feed them a veg*n diet.<br><br><br><br>
That said I do not agree with feeding them most of the kibble that is out there either</div>
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Have you looked at what's in your dog food? Most (if not all) have corn or rice or other grains in them. If you're going for "natural," no kibble qualifies as that. Since when have dogs cooked their meat and pressed it into little dry pieces? Would you feed dogs food with fish in it? Would you feed domestic cats food with beef in it? Those wouldn't be a part of most domestic animals' food "in the wild" either (assuming they were wild, they're domestic).
 

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That would be why my dogs do not get kibble <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/blank.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":|"><br><br>
They get ground up chicken and yes some brown rice and they tend to steal things out of the garden also, specialy the strawberries but dogs will eat what they can find, thats not to say it is good for them.<br><br>
For instance my dogs biggest "treat" is when they can steal a kitty treat straight from the litter box.<br><br>
So to answer your question yes I have looked at what is in my dogs food given that I make it.<br><br><br><br>
If it is beef or chicken or pork is not really an issue here, since domesticated dogs are not wild animals and do not have a natural "wild" diet, perhaps the closest thing we would have to look at are wolves which I can assure you DO eat fish when it is given the chance to.
 

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That's the point - they don't have a natural "wild" diet anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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That's the point - they don't have a natural "wild" diet anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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I guess I did not make my point well enough so I'm at fault anyway, I'm no fan of puting an animal on a vegetarian diet but then again I'm no fan of most the "kibble" out there anyway which is made of mostly of corn which is not good for dogs and can be downright harmful to cats hence my statement about the corn field <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I'll wager if you put a pile of Cheez-Its, a plate of Ho Hos and an open tube of Pringles alongside a slab of raw meat a dog won't necessarily go for the most nutritionally ideal option.<br><br><br><br>
If I put a freshly killed small rodent and a saucer of milk in front of my cats I guaran-frickin'-TEE you at least three of them will go for the milk. But I think we can all agree that milk isn't suitable for cats.<br><br><br><br>
Heck, dogs and cats sometimes accidentally consume antifreeze because it is sweet. It is also fatal.<br><br><br><br>
So in my estimation the dietary choices pets make for themselves aren't always the best.<br><br><br><br>
The day a dog or cat ever becomes a registered dietitian and understands their digestive system and the science of nutrition is the day they should be put in charge of choosing their own food.<br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
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For instance my dogs biggest "treat" is when they can steal a kitty treat straight from the litter box.</div>
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Dog saliva + clumping cat litter = really gross cement.<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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can be downright harmful to cats</div>
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<br><br><br><a href="http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html" target="_blank">http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
TJ
 

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This is a rather strange premise. "Grains are bad for pets, so set down a plate of them and see if they'll eat em!" Huh???<br><br><br><br>
I know, let's do another taste test... Set down 4 plates and see which one your dog prefers: On the first plate put down their regular dry meat-based kibble that they get every day, on the second plate place a head of lettuce, on the third plate put down a bar of chocolate, and on the fourth plate pour some radiator coolant. Whichever one they choose must be the one that's healthiest for them!<br><br><br><br>
(disclaimer, your dog might die from this experiment)
 

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Dog saliva + clumping cat litter = really gross cement.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html" target="_blank">http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
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Great link Jeezy, I had not seen that one before.
 

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What about all the other reasons to not be supporting animal agriculture?.<br><br>
Such as people starving in other countries, pollution caused by factory farming, slaughter houses injuring employees, cruelty at factory farming etc etc.<br><br>
Are the true costs of meat production worth it to feed some meat eating domesticated animals who we tend to keep as companions?.
 

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...but dogs will eat what they can find, thats not to say it is good for them.<br><br>
For instance my dogs biggest "treat" is when they can steal a kitty treat straight from the litter box.</div>
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Ick... too much information...<br><br><br><br>
especially when read right before lunch...<br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hungry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hungry:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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DLS, please leave veterinary advise to veterinarians. The yeast that is the cause of ear and skin infects is normal skin flora, it is on every animal and is not found in the gut. It only grows out of control when allergies flare up. In pets allergies come from three main sources: fleas, food and environment. Food allergens may be be any type of protein within the food, but often are grain proteins. When an animal presents with chronic allergens, we recommend the animal be switched to a limited ingredient diet with one protein source and one carb source that the animal has never been exposed to (this often eliminates soy as a choice). The common signs of allergies are itching, paw licking, ear infections (can lead to permanant hearing loss), scooting (blocked anal glands). Food allergies can also show up as frequent vomitting, loose stool and/or weight loss/inability to gain weight. The other neurological signs you listed are not related to allergies, they may be due to infectious fungi (blastomycosis, coccidioides, histoplasmosis, etc) or a host of other causes.<br><br><br><br>
In case you are wondering, I am a licensed vet and I frequently treat allergies in pets.
 

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Morning everyone,<br><br>
Well it is morning where I am ,10:28 am. Anyway cheekywhiskers, I never give veterinary advice, I am NOT A VET. I was just threading a post or posting a thread { I will get this computer jargon straight yet } on letting pets choose from different food sources. Healthy food choices, not freakin' anti-freeze, dryer sheets and crap! And anyone can google systemic yeast infections to see the causes and symptoms.<br><br>
And you are a veterinarian, my hat goes off to you, an admirable profession for sure.<br><br><br><br>
Hugzzzzzzzzzzz to all the pets.
 
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