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I've noticed in so many threads people going on and on about cheese... and how they apparantly like it!<br><br>
To be honest, the first time I actually 'liked' cheese was when I had "vegan" cheese and thus I promptly converted for good.<br><br>
What is there to actually like about cheese?<br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;"><span style="color:#C0C0C0;">(on a further topic, any animal product really... but I'm not talking about animal rights based issues...)</span></span>
 

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Someone posted this on a different thread:<br><br><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214100593069532942#" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0593069532942#</a><br><br>
It's chemically addictive.
 

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I used to really love cheese. Its the one thing I thought I'd really miss going from omni to vegan. Turns out, cheese is not that hard to live without <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Its the one thing I still miss. The texture and taste. I don't know. Vegan cheese is OK, but as pessimistic as this is, nothing beats the real cheese.
 

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That stuff about opiates is BS. There are a couple of studies that claim there are opiate-like compounds in dairy, but really nothing to back up the idea that those compounds would actually act like opiates in the body.<br><br>
Cheese does taste good. I think cheese is something that takes some getting used to if you didn't grow up with it. Unfortunately, I'm from the Midwest and cheese was a fairly significant part of my diet both as an omnivore and a lacto-ovo vegetarian. None of the vegan cheeses I've tried hold a candle to it, although some are pretty good in their own right. I don't miss cheese nearly as much as I thought I would, though. I guess the taste can be "unacquired."
 

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(Real cheese, not vegan cheese)<br><br>
It was the patch kit when I used to not know how to cook very well. Like noodles not cooked the right amount, plus some crap tomato sauce (especially something like Ragu with corn syrup in it). then you pile on the parmesan cheese to hide everything. Or a pizza with a not so great crust, pile on the cheese.<br><br>
I've known people who are "ethically" against eating it, but then feel their life has been unfair and they deserve a treat, so they keep eating it (same with real butter)<br><br>
When vegans brag about eating a lot of the good vegan cheeses, I almost start thinking it's their way of bragging about being financially well off, cause I sure as hell can't afford to eat a lot of it.
 

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It's a combination of the texture, taste (high in fat=yummy), and saltiness. But when you actually think about what cheese is, it's pretty disgusting.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RunnerVeggie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2911302"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That stuff about opiates is BS. There are a couple of studies that claim there are opiate-like compounds in dairy, but really nothing to back up the idea that those compounds would actually act like opiates in the body.<br><br>
Cheese does taste good. I think cheese is something that takes some getting used to if you didn't grow up with it. Unfortunately, I'm from the Midwest and cheese was a fairly significant part of my diet both as an omnivore and a lacto-ovo vegetarian. None of the vegan cheeses I've tried hold a candle to it, although some are pretty good in their own right. I don't miss cheese nearly as much as I thought I would, though. I guess the taste can be "unacquired."</div>
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And since when is it BS? Cheese contains morphine which is from the cows body.
 

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<span style="color:#800080;">cheese was def my weakness when I became vegan as a teenager. Pizza was really my sticking point. I had to just suck it up and not eat it. It took a few months but now I am good. I am NOT a fan of the many vegan cheeses on the market but I do want to make my own cashew cheese, I have 3 kids 4 and under though so when I have one second of free time I will get on it LOL.</span>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>AdamLayish</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2911297"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Its the one thing I still miss. The texture and taste. I don't know. Vegan cheese is OK, but as pessimistic as this is, nothing beats the real cheese.</div>
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I completely agree, the soy cheese here looks and taste like rubber. It's disgusting stuff, if vegan cheese tasted good I wouldn't miss it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tofulicious</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2911315"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
And since when is it BS? Cheese contains morphine which is from the cows body.</div>
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Citation please? The studies I have seen were about naturally occurring proteins that were opiate-like, not morphine.
 

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the sad thing that i didn't like cheese well into my 20's. and then it happened, now i love it. it will be the third hardest to give up food in my life when i finally make the last step. i do like daiya cheese, but it is good to use as melted in food when i cook and there are only few types. real cheese has so many different kinds, and tastes. i will sure miss having a fancy cheese plate with fruit and wine
 

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Citation please? The studies I have seen were about naturally occurring proteins that were opiate-like, not morphine.</div>
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Im not sure about the whole cheese thing, but morphine IS an opiate.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RunnerVeggie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2911366"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Citation please? The studies I have seen were about naturally occurring proteins that were opiate-like, not morphine.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.care2.com/greenliving/cheese-contains-morphine.html" target="_blank">http://www.care2.com/greenliving/che...-morphine.html</a><br><br>
"Eli Hazum and his colleagues at Wellcome Research Laboratories"
 

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Im not sure about the whole cheese thing, but morphine IS an opiate.</div>
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Yes...I was saying that studies claim there are "opiate-like" compounds in cheese that are naturally occurring, not the opiate drug morphine that might be given to the cows. I haven't seen anything saying there is morphine in dairy.
 

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I don't miss cheese; the hard part for me about cheese was that it's in/on so many things, in restaurants for example. I am completely fine eating my food without it, but <i>obtaining</i> food without it can be challenging sometimes -- for example, if the only veg*n entree is something like lasagna where it's not easy to just leave the cheese off; or if restaurants decide to throw a Parmesan garnish onto my salad or soup or pasta or, well, pretty much ANYTHING without asking me (this has happened so many times in my first few vegan months!)<br><br>
But miss cheese -- no, I really don't. I'm not a big fan of vegan cheese either, even though I've tried the kinds like Daiya that are supposed to be the best. I'd rather just make things without it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Tofulicious</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2911378"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><a href="http://www.care2.com/greenliving/cheese-contains-morphine.html" target="_blank">http://www.care2.com/greenliving/che...-morphine.html</a><br><br>
"Eli Hazum and his colleagues at Wellcome Research Laboratories"</div>
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Yeah, that's not exactly authoritative, but here is the original article: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6267691" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6267691</a><br><br>
I don't have time to look into this right now. But, the fact that milk contains morphine (or something like morphine) in itself doesn't really mean anything. It would have to be at high enough levels to produce a physiological effect.
 

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The first month and a half of going vegan, I went absolutely crazing trying out vegan cheese substitutes to eat. I bought boxed vegan mac n cheese from three different brands, tried some homemade cheese sauces with nutritional years and bought a few bags of Daiya. Daiya was the one I ended up loving the most, and I still like it.<br><br>
HOWEVER, after three months of being vegan, I suddenly realized that I didn't feel the need to have something cheesy or creamy, or anything like that in my diet. It was then that my crazy cravings were over. Now I don't buy vegan cheese substitutes, or even make them anymore. I just don't feel like I NEED to have them, like I used to. My tastes have change, and for the better. Every once in a while I'll order something from my local vegan cafe that has daiya in it, and I love it as a treat, but I certainly don't need homemade mini pizzas every day anymore.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RunnerVeggie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2911302"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That stuff about opiates is BS. There are a couple of studies that claim there are opiate-like compounds in dairy, but really nothing to back up the idea that those compounds would actually act like opiates in the body.<br></div>
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Personally, I wouldn't go as far to say that it is actually BS just yet, but nevertheless you're absolutely correct in your statement about the evidence being inconclusive regarding whether these Casomorphines actually pass into the bloodstream.<br><br>
What really IS bull**** however, is the way many veg*ns have picked up on this news about opiate-like substances in cheese and run with it claiming this is the reason they can't stop themselves from eating it, and they talk about "de-toxing from cheese" like it's heroin or something. Totally ridiculous! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 
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