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Hooray for everything Dee said!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/carrot.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":vebo:">
 

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what endangered animals do cats eat exactly? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"> mine only ate mice and bugs, i'm pretty sure they're not endangered.<br><br><br><br>
but the cat i have now, is an indoor-only cat. he doesn't "roam free to eat animals" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"> mainly for his own safety, and because we have wild rabbits and lots of squirrels here and i would be upset if by chance my cat did hurt one. so to prevent that he stays inside with me. plus we've moved him 3 times and i'd be afraid he wouldn't find his way back home, or that he'd be one of those guys that treks hundred of miles back to their previous home for no apparant reason. plus, my city also has coyotes around i'm told, and a neighbour's dogs got out one day and killed another neighbour's cat in my backyard, which i got to watch from my back door, lucky me. for my cat's safety and that of the furred critters around my yard, he does not go outside, period.<br><br><br><br>
and he's perfectly happy with the arrangement so far, he enjoys sniffing out the window and watching the squirrels from the back of the couch. if he did manage to get outside i don't think he'd know what to do with a squirrel if he did catch it, as he's never had the chance to before<br><br><br><br>
and yes they probably shouldn't have been domesticated but same goes for dogs, birds, goldfish, hamsters, or any other animal we see as pets, not to mention 'food' animals. we can't exactly reverse it now, domesticated animals left to fend for themselves usually die, especially in populated areas, what would you like us to do, set all our pets free into the streets and see what happens? they'd all starve to death or get hit by cars. yes great solution. wait let's just toss them all out the windows <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
my cat makes me sneeze and itch too but he's part of my dysfunctional little family here. do you toss your kids out into the street because they smell funny or drew on the walls? no, you discipline them, teach them correct behaviour, and you put up with the smelly diapers because you love them and it's not their fault they poo themselves every 10 minutes.
 

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Just to clarify, there are lots and lots of cat breeders where I'm from. However most of them are what I call accidental breeders. Oops, didn't spay or neuter their cat, the cat got out, got pregnant, and now they have a litter of "free to good homes" to get rid of. There are cats for sale, mostly free, in the newspaper here all the time.<br><br><br><br>
I don't let my cat go outside. Best he can do is sit in the window. But he is neutered in case he would ever accidentally get out somehow.
 

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Before you talk about something make sure you know the situation. it wasnt my cat. it was my roomates. and the little ******* ripped a lot of my **** up and piddled on my sleeping bag many times. i wont raise a finger to you bcuase you were lacking in a lot of the details, but i sure feel like it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br>
oh yea, and in this instance i guess you could say it was a figure of speech considering we were on the basement floor.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kpickell</i><br><br><b>Just to clarify, there are lots and lots of cat breeders where I'm from. However most of them are what I call accidental breeders. Oops, didn't spay or neuter their cat, the cat got out, got pregnant, and now they have a litter of "free to good homes" to get rid of. There are cats for sale, mostly free, in the newspaper here all the time.</b></div>
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Oh yes! The accidental breeders. I didn't really mention them because I was more talking about the "professional breeders" (the ones that do this for money), not the ones that found that sweet "Fluffy" got out and met with "Romeo", and now has a boatload of little question marks that they now have to get rid of. That's how we got Stanley. He was a question mark kitty but we got him in front of a wal-mart, out of a box and yes, he was free to a good home. I see those ads in my local paper all the time as well, and my heart breaks like mad because what cats don't go to a good home, will end up in a shelter either living its life out in a cage or living its life out for "x" amount of time until termination. From someone raised as the daughter of a dog-breeder parent (there! I said it), I still go back to my feeling of it being purely irresponsible to let [domesticated] animals roam, desexed or not.<br><br><br><br>
V3gan - I'm not trying to turn this into a war or anything, but if you would have posted the full situation and not just the "cat-toss" part, I would have prolly been a little more sympathetic. As it is, I would just have to say that maybe the cat was trying to tell you something...<br><br><br><br>
Just my guess, anyway. But then again, I don't know <i>your</i> situation or why the animal kingdom feels necessary to say it with pee....
 

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V3gan, I think DeeYahMK's response was justified given what you said: <i>"hell i was close to throwing the cat out the window at my old apartment. as much flaming as that will get its true. i hated that thing with a passion."</i> I hope you never have kids, because I'd be afraid of what you'd do when they inevitable rip a lot of your stuff up and piddle on your sleeping bag. You're the cat's guardian and it's your responsibility to teach the cat. Anger won't teach a cat not to claw up your stuff, nor will it teach the cat to use a litterbox. But anyways, I'm glad you lived in the basement. =)
 

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see thats the thing i hate with message boards, you think you know me when in reality you know f/a about me. lets see, you know i hate cats. infact thats the only living being i cant tolerate. and how the hell do you get off comparing a child to a cat. and like I said IT WAS MY ROOMATES CAT, NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY.<br><br><br><br>
no more i hate V3gan posts. you can send me hate Pm for that, dont waste this thread.
 

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I'm not doing a "I hate V3gan post" nor am I willing to turn this into a "I hate V3gan" thread. I have no time for that bulls hit! I don't hate anyone. Not even if they hate cats. As much as it would be <span style="text-decoration:underline;">almost</span> (and I do mean "almost") justifyable to feel that way against someone that holds that opinion, I just can't. I won't either, so don't make it sound like I am or am trying.<br><br><br><br>
What I can't understand is that you post about a thing and say "...as much flaming as that will get its true" and then get upset because there are comments about it. NOT FLAMES, mind you. Comments. That is all. I've been on boards that are into flames and I can assure you, this ain't it. No one has said anything against you as a person, there have just been COMMENTS made about how you feel and why you feel that way.<br><br><br><br>
You hate message boards. Fine. But isn't that what message boards are about? Give an opinion and watch that opinion be countered or agreed with (along with reasons why)? We are supposed to be here to stretch each other and make each other think instead of beating everyone into one form of thought.
 

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We have a lot of cats on my property, both feral and house... the feral cats eat gophers and stuff (good for the garden) as well as food. Sad part is, a couple of the house cats have NO idea what to do with them... we flushed out a baby gpher once, one of them went over to catch it, and jumped back when he realized it was alive (imagine a boy cat going (EEEEWWWW Gross!!! What do I do with it?)<br><br>
The gopher escaped, with a good story... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I didn't say I hated you, I was just commenting on the fact that you wrote "I hated <span style="text-decoration:underline;">that thing</span>."<br><br><br><br>
As for how I can compare a child to a cat, I was using the analogy about how both of cats and babies need to be trained--both need to be potty trained and taught house manners.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by DeeYahMK</i><br><br><b>What I can't understand is that you post about a thing and say "...as much flaming as that will get its true" and then get upset because there are comments about it. NOT FLAMES, mind you. Comments. That is all.</b></div>
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Good point. If one was expecting flames, and then gets upset at just comments, you'd think one would just keep their mouth shut.
 

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<div class="quote-block">It's not a cat's fault if he hunts. That's what predatory species do. You shouldn't hate an animal because of what they have to do to survive.</div>
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A domestic cat doesn't need to hunt to survive. Cats also hunt to bring their owners 'presents' as ours did several times; numerous birds, snakes etc left on the back step.<br><br><br><br>
As for leaving it inside; some people cannot/do not leave animals (esp cats) inside because they are likely to piss all over the place - even toilet trained ones. If you are a responsible owner congrats.<br><br><br><br>
BTW endangered species are not just in Aust and NZ - I'm sure you Yanks have some too.<br><br><br><br>
Dogs are less likely to be roaming freely - feral dogs are another concern entirely. And I understand the threat of dogs roaming - our first cat was mauled to death by a pack of loose dogs.<br><br><br><br>
I would hate to see any animal put down - and saw my family's cat put down after a long struggle with cat AIDS which saw him degenerate into a skeleton with sunken eyeballs. I cried when he died and I put him down out of compassion. I just don't see the point in breeding them or dogs or birds for that matter.<br><br><br><br>
And a big **** you to everyone who thinks I'm an animal hater - I asked a simple and obviously heated question - if you can't deal with opposition to your 'cat loving' **** off and go vacuum the cat hair of your sofa. Cats suck.
 

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I can't believe how literally some of you people take things. No wonder people think Veg'ns are a humourless bunch of hippies. I'm quite sure V3gan wasn't being serious and yet you all jump up and down and make out as though V3gan is the fookin anti-christ. Yeah I'm sure V3gan would seriously think about throwing a cat out the window.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by thefragile77</i><br><br><b>A domestic cat doesn't need to hunt to survive. Cats also hunt to bring their owners 'presents' as ours did several times; numerous birds, snakes etc left on the back step.<br><br></b></div>
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You're missing the point of the post to which you were responding, which is that cats are a predator species, and as such they can't be blamed for being predators. Expecting a cat to say to itself "yes, I'm by nature a predator, but I'm being fed, so I don't need to hunt" is asking a bit much, isn't it?!<br><br><br><br>
Your cat was relating to you in quite a natural way by bringing you "presents" of dead animals--it was trying to feed you, just as it would feed feline young.<br><br><br><br>
As for the rest of your last two posts--I think the tone of those posts speaks for itself.
 

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I have a toy with fake feathers on it that my cat uses to make me play fetch with her. She brings it back to me exactly as a "present." It's instinctive, even without the flesh and blood.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by thefragile77</i><br><br><b>Cats also hunt to bring their owners 'presents' as ours did several times; numerous birds, snakes etc left on the back step.<br><br></b></div>
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Wait just a minute... you started this dang thread and you let your cat go outside? you let your cat go outside and you're the one getting upset about cats killing other animals? so far on this thread you're the only one that let their cat go out to hunt.<br><br><br><br>
And secondly, if you had just said "Vegans should oppose cat breeding" I think you would have gotten a much more favorable response, but instead you made it sound like we should go out and kill all cats because as you say "cats suck". I think ARA vegans should be the first people to go out and adopt cats from death row and they should be the on the front lines of TNR efforts.<br><br><br><br>
If the topic had been brought up in a civil manner I think we would find out that we agree on a lot of things. I agree that the cat population is out of control and something needs to be done about it. Ignoring the problem and saying vegans should never own or even adopt a cat is not going to help the problem, it's only going to make it worse.
 

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Wait just a minute... you started this dang thread and you let your cat go outside? you let your cat go outside and you're the one getting upset about cats killing other animals?<br></div>
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Well I was a CHILD at the time - we are talking as a ten year old. I didn't really have much control over the 'dang' cat. And it is actually those incidents that made me think twice about them in the first place <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/moonpie.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":moonpie:">. I was not an adult at the time nor was I able to make decisions like that. And cats still suck.
 
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