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For those of you who feed your cats meat:<br><br><br><br>
Were you aware that some commercial cat food contains the remnants of other dead cats and dogs? The euthanized ones? I've been reading about this lately. My mom knew about it for a while, and for a while she was buying and preparing chicken from the store and made homemade food from it for the cats. What do you feed your cats??
 

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What ends up in dog and cat food is AWFUL. I recently read "Vegetarian Dogs&Cats" and will NEVER buy another commercial food again (right now my cats are eating a "natural" commercial food), and no longer have any doubts a cat can be vegan and completely healthy--in fact, through this book's examples and others, I hear most cats on this diet are much more healthy than they ever were. After I get some extra money for my birthday, I'm going to invest in the supplements offered by Vegepet, which gives you vegan recipes and a cat or dog vitmain supplement so you can make your own food. I'd really reccommend the book to everyone who cares. I picked it up at a flea market for 50 cents, but I see it's pretty pricey (but TOTALLY worth it) on Amazon ( <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fexec%2Fobidos%2Ftg%2Fdetail%2F-%2F0941319024%2Fqid%3D1059004682%2Fsr%3D8-2%2Fref%3Dsr_8_2%2F102-0718592-2081709%3Fv%3Dglance%26s%3Dbooks%26n%3D507846" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846</a> ), if you want to know about the science and issues behind their food. Otherwise, you could just buy the stuff and use the recipes, or see if the book's at your library. That way you never have to worry about the weird stuff in your animals' food (causing cannabalism, giving them diseased and hormone-ridden or medicine-filled animals, artificial ingredients), or supporting the slaughterhouse industry through dog or cat food.<br><br><br><br>
I really hope EVERYONE checks out this option if you haven't already. It's totally easy and safe to feed your cats and dogs a vegan diet if you do it properly, using supplements. I know this seems kind of funny coming form someone who hasn't started feeding her cats this yet, but the book is so thorough and really explained everything and I'm totally confident in it.<br><br><br><br>
Okay, done raving. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
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Well I really don't see how any type of vegan diet can be healthy for cats. They are complete carnivores and that's the end of it- that's what I believe. It came as a shock to me to learn where all that cat food really comes from, stuff that is unfit for human consumption (as if meat was anyway), it doesn't seem fair for the cats at all. It's really disturbing about the dead cats and dogs though. I mean, cattle are sometimes fed dead cattle remains. Sick! Or maybe I'm wrong I dunno. It's probably easier to just get organic chicken or something and just give it straight to the cat instead of getting the canned crap. (But I think dry food is even worse because it's sprayed with dyes and discarded restaurant grease) hmm...
 

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carnivores can be vegetarians too!<br><br><br><br>
Alas, I still feed my cat Friskies or is it Whiska or something, purple bag.<br><br><br><br>
I have not heard of euthanized dogs being recycled into food. Can you show me where you read this?
 

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Book Title: "The Veterinarian's Guide to Natural Remedies for Cats: Safe and Effective Alternative Treatments and Healing Techniques from the Nation's Top Holistic Veterinarians"<br><br><br><br>
Author: Martin Zucker.<br><br>
Publisher: Three Rivers Press, NY.<br><br><br><br>
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Page 12<br><br><br><br>
"Meat: condemned and contaminated protein from slaughter-houses. Road Kill. Four-D Livestock, meaning dead, disabled, and dying. And even euthanized companion animals- dogs and cats! These sources are rendered- that is, mixed together and "sterilized"- for use in subsequent processing into pet food. Many of the meat sources contain levels of drugs, horomones, and presticides condsidered too high for safe human consumption.<br><br><br><br>
Grain: Two of the top three ingredients listed on the labels of dry pet food (kibble)are generally some form of grain. They tend to be the cheap dregs from the human food chain. Frequentlythe grain is corn or corn gluten meal. Cats are true carnivores. They need meat. A diet high in corn, or any grain, makes no sense for a cat. But from the manufacturing standpoint, corn and other cereals being used to replace meat provide much cheaper and inferior protein sources than meat."<br><br><br><br>
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"Martin says her investigation revealed that "just about anything and everything is fair game for sue in pet food. Labels do not indicate the hidden hazards that lurk in most cans and bags." One of the most shocking practices she learned abouse was the use of eythanized pets as part of the rendered mix that goes into pet foods. Despite the denial by the industry that this is happening, says Martin, "dogs and cats from shelters, pounds, and even veterinary clinics are ending up in pet food. Some people seem to feel that this is not a problem, afterall, dogs and cats are a source of protein. What they neglect to consider is that 90 percent of these animals have been treated with high levels of drugs prior to their demise. These drgus, anitibiotics, horomones, and so on all withstand the rendering processand in face can become more toxic. The companies selling the dyes and flavor enhanceres are doing a landslide business, and as long as consumers are not offended by the smell and look of pet food, they assume it is a good quality.<br><br><br><br>
In 1990, San Francisco Cronicle investigative reporter John Eckhouse brought this practice to public attention. He found that each year millions of dead American dogs and cats are processed along with billions of pounds of other animal materials into tallow and meat meal used for thousands of items, including cosmetics and pet food. The practice is not illegal and probably accounts for only a very small percentage of the protein content of pet food, Eckhouse reported. One veterinary official who confirmed the practice said that "when you read pet food labels and it says meat or bone meal, that's what it is- cooked and converted animals, including some dogs and cats.""
 

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I have taken classes in animal care and one of the first things we learned was how to read the labels on dog & cat food and what nutrients they really need and which ones they don't. I remember being so grossed out about the "byproducts" and all the extra protein and stuff that they put in pet foods. My bf and I have recently had an argument about this since he thinks cats are carnivores only and I wanted to get them some veggie cat food at the store. I think I'm going to make sure I convert him and he's convinced before I start on my kittys. One of them already looks at me like I'm psycho when I try to give her pieces of m "fake" meats!
 

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I feed my cat Max Cat, which is <i>about</i> as good as it gets for carnivorous, commercially available cat food.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by DirtDiva</i><br><br><b>One of them already looks at me like I'm psycho when I try to give her pieces of m "fake" meats!</b></div>
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yea, probably because she needs real meat!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by epski</i><br><br><b>I feed my cat Max Cat, which is <i>about</i> as good as it gets for carnivorous, commercially available cat food.</b></div>
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Oh? Where do you get it? Is it expensive, and how do you know it is good?
 

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It's not that expensive at all. I get it at the finer pet stores or Whole Foods Markets.<br><br><br><br>
Veterinarians, the product labelling, word of mouth, and lots of reading have led me to believe that they are one of two or three worthy products out there.
 

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I don't have a say in what our cats get fed (Jake is responsible for them, I am for the dogs) but they are on Supercoat (Australian dry food) and pet mince for cats... supposedly just beef or beef and chicken but who knows? Better than that canned sh*te though... I'd love to put them on BARF but it's Jake's call...
 

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So animal shelters are selling their euthanized animals to pet food companies?<br><br><br><br>
That reminds me of another <a href="http://www.snopes.com/critters/edibles/dogsoup.htm" target="_blank">news item that I read</a> about animal shelters sending their euthanized pets overseas to korea and china, where they actually become part of meals over there! Apparently people in some parts of the world enjoying eating dog meat. Can you believe it.
 

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Ok, a few things.<br><br><br><br>
1. I think there are laws regarding selling dead cats and dogs as food. Maybe I'm wrong.<br><br><br><br>
2. "Cats have to eat meat" is bull. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with feeding your cat a vegan diet. Just because humans are omnivores doesn't mean they have to eat both veggies and meat. What's "natural" is not the same as what is right. It is "natural" for humans to rape each other and steal from each other, but that doesn't make it right.<br><br><br><br>
3. I have started feeding my cat Evolution Cat Kibble vegan pet food. You can get it from vegancats.com. It is "Formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO cat food nutrient profiles for all life stages." I have no idea who the AAFCO is but they sound like they have a lot of authority. Also, buying vegan cat food from vegan companies supports vegan commerce.<br><br><br><br>
4. In my opinion, it makes no sense to feed one animal at the expense of another. That does nothing for the greater good of the animals. Since we are the veg*ns, the promoters of animal rights, it is our obligation to save both the cat AND the chicken. It makes no sense to favor one over the other.<br><br><br><br>
So, basically, go to <a href="http://www.vegancats.com" target="_blank">www.vegancats.com</a> and buy their food, or if you still don't trust vegan cat food, read their FAQ, and if after reading the FAQ you STILL don't trust vegan cat food, buy the book <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Obligate Carnivore</span> by Jed Gillen (<a href="http://www.vegancats.com/ObligateCarnivore.html" target="_blank">http://www.vegancats.com/ObligateCarnivore.html</a>) and you can read about vegan cat diets and morality and all that.<br><br>
-Eric
 

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Thanks for the tips Viking <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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This is so cool! I need to talk my mom into buying the kibble for my cat. I didn't know that cats could eat vegan! Learn something new everyday, eh?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by RedViking</i><br><br><b>There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with feeding your cat a vegan diet. Just because humans are omnivores doesn't mean they have to eat both veggies and meat.<br><br></b></div>
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who died and made you an evolutionary biologist? Humans are omnivores, and they can eat both because of that. They are flexible. Cats are not flexible. All their relatives hunt down and kill other animals. Their biologies are the same. They have short intestines, one stomach, and huge fangs. They have eyes in the front of their head. They have instincts that tell them to hunt. Therefore, their diets are supposed to be meat.<br><br><br><br>
We don't have a right to interfere with that. We don't like meat-eating humans imposing meat-eating on us, so we should not impose veggie-eating on meat-eating animals.<br><br><br><br></b>
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In my opinion, it makes no sense to feed one animal at the expense of another. That does nothing for the greater good of the animals.</b></div>
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i hope you don't actually propose this, because if you actually tried to make this world so that no animal could kill any other animal, our entire ecosystem would go down the toilet. Like it or not, this Earth has developed this way, and it is designed for it. Any other drastic deviation such as having no animals eat other animals, is going against the grain of nature.<br><br><br><br>
Let's not be naive here. Just because you don't like the idea of eating meat doesn't mean you can impose that on other animals who need to. It doesn't mean all animals who hunt are wrong and bad. Nobody says YOU have to eat meat, but this is nature. Face it! And I would hope you would support nature and the environment, in its natural state.
 

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B4S nailed it, good post.<br><br><br><br>
Pet food is a slaughterhouse by product. Animals are not, to my knowledge, being slaughtered exclusively for pet food.
 

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Question: Let's say we succeed in ending the existence of slaughterhouses. With byproducts unavailable, what's the new plan for feeding our carnivorous animal companions?
 

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Hehe, epski, I've asked myself the same question, and still haven't answered it satisfactorily. So I've decided to cross that bridge IF I ever come to it... which I honestly don't think I ever will, not in this lifetime...
 
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