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Yep, it's like that old cartoon-type thing of someone sitting on a donkey holding a carrot in front of its nose on a fishing rod....
 

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Yep, it's like that old cartoon-type thing of someone sitting on a donkey holding a carrot in front of its nose on a fishing rod....</div>
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That's different. That would be like teasing or leading on.
 

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But that's what the expression means. Someone dangles something in front of you, causing you to change, thinking you'll get the reward, but you never actually do. In the meantime, you're doing whatever the person dangling the reward wants you to do.<br><br><br><br>
The donkey's carrot is dangling just ahead of him, so he thinks that if walks a few steps, he'll be able to chow down. But the carrot is attached to a stick, attached to the cart/wagon, so that when he moves, the carrot moves too. But....his yearning for the carrot causes him to pull the wagon.
 

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that phrase is used a lot where I work, when discussing how to implement changes. "do we use a carrot or a stick?"<br><br><br><br>
In other words, do we offer a reduction in fees if our clients select the option we want them to, or do we increase their fees if they don't select the option we want them to?<br><br><br><br>
Do we offer incentives for people to follow certain procedures, or do we reprimand those who do not follow certain procedures?
 

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But that's what the expression means. Someone dangles something in front of you, causing you to change, thinking you'll get the reward, but you never actually do. In the meantime, you're doing whatever the person dangling the reward wants you to do.<br><br><br><br>
The donkey's carrot is dangling just ahead of him, so he thinks that if walks a few steps, he'll be able to chow down. But the carrot is attached to a stick, attached to the cart/wagon, so that when he moves, the carrot moves too. But....his yearning for the carrot causes him to pull the wagon.</div>
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No, that's not right about the stick. The carrot is in front of the donkey as a potential reward, and the stick is used to hit him as a punishment. The idea is that these are two alternatives to motivate someone: reward or punishment.
 

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Um yeah, teh carrot thing is how I've viewed a lot of jobs I've applied for, especially the ones who string me along for weeks without any actual job materializing.<br><br><br><br>
The worst are the jobs where if I just do this ONE more thing I'll get the job and since I hate being unemployed I go do it. So many jobs have pulled this on me you'd think a girl would learn by now and give up more easily.
 

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Um yeah, teh carrot thing is how I've viewed a lot of jobs I've applied for, especially the ones who string me along for weeks without any actual job materializing.<br><br><br><br>
The worst are the jobs where if I just do this ONE more thing I'll get the job and since I hate being unemployed I go do it. So many jobs have pulled this on me you'd think a girl would learn by now and give up more easily.
 
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i've only ever heard iamjens version used. where the carrot is on a string, hanging off a stick, (like a fishing rod) attached to cart or similar, and just out of reach of the donkey. poor donkey keeps moving forward, wanting to eat the carrot, but never reaches it. its an incentive with the reward always out of reach. i've never heard of anyone using the stick to hit the donkey, and i just wanted to say, if thats the version everyone else knows, well...thats not very nice <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br>
i've looked into it, and it seems the 'beating version is the older one though. poor donkey. he should move to england (or my parents house at least) where it seems less likely that people are gonna poke him with the stick <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/carrot.html" target="_blank">http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/carrot.html</a>
 

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Yup. But I never knew there was hitting involved! I just thought you were either offered a carrot (which you could eat) or a stick (which, unless you were a whittler or needed to build a fire, was totally worthless to you) as 'payment' for a deed. So, in reponse to you doing whatever you did, you either ended up saying "Hurrah, I got a carrot!" or a "Darn it, I only got this stupid stick."
 

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Seusomon...perhaps that's just the version you heard. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Interestingly, if you Google "carrot on stick", you'll find people having this very same conversation on about 100 different message boards. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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Seusomon...perhaps that's just the version you heard. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Interestingly, if you Google "carrot on stick", you'll find people having this very same conversation on about 100 different message boards. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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Guess so. However, Webster, American Heritage, and Wikipedia all agree that the carrot is a reward and the stick is a punishment, and give no indication that the stick is interpreted any other way. And I don't recall ever seeing the expression used in print in any way except to refer to a reward v. punishment alternative.<br><br><br><br>
My guess is that the other way of interpreting the stick is a result of people hearing the expression and not "getting it".
 

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<span>I heard it used from Joseph Nye and his views on "soft power" but instead of a donkey, it was a rabbit and these being carrot sticks. Not exactly the same thing, but similar ideas, I guess.<br><br>
He said that "soft power", the use of positive reinforcement and coercion to have other countries like us and follow our principles peacefully would be like offering a carrot to a rabbit, and if the rabbit chose to eat it, then fine. If not, we would just leave him alone with the carrot and hope that he would eat.<br><br>
Now, hard power would be using violence to scare others into submission would be like shoving the carrot stick down his throat and forcing him to eat it.<br><br></span>
 

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The only reason I have heard of it is because of Vegetarian Times. Which I do not read regularly.
 
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