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alright, dilema:<br><br>
i've been vegan for a year and i'm trying to go as natural as possible but i'm absolutely addicted to black tea with agave nectar which has loads of caffiene,<br><br>
is caffiene really that bad?
 

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I dont think so. But then again Im drinking coffee right now.<br><br><br><br>
Actually I remember reading, fairly recently it seems, that caffine had some health benefits. Ill see if I can find that.<br><br><br><br>
Okay, quick search got me some results, not the article that I actually read though.<br><br><br><br>
I did find <a href="http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/coffee_health_benefits.htm" target="_blank">this from harvard</a><br><br>
and <a href="http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/80/96454.htm" target="_blank">this from webmd</a>.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.newstarget.com/000677.html" target="_blank">This</a> says theyve ignored the whole story.<br><br>
You'll probably just have to make up your mind. I dont pay attention because I know I wont give up my coffee.
 

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alright, dilema:<br><br>
i've been vegan for a year and i'm trying to go as natural as possible but i'm absolutely addicted to black tea with agave nectar which has loads of caffiene,<br><br>
is caffiene really that bad?</div>
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switch to green.?<br><br>
decaffeinated green?<br><br>
white?<br><br>
rooibos?<br><br><br><br>
at least black tea doesn't have nearly as much as coffee, but still. try green out and see if you like it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
and yeah caffeine has been "proven" to have negative health effects as well as positive. I guess it's up to who did the survey and how much they liked chocolate n coffee.<br><br><br><br>
What do I believe? That it is a poison, that we build an addiction and go through minor withdrawls. It has negative sleep effects and freaks out your adrenals. As such, I do wish to quit it one day.
 

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I like caffiene. You can drink too much though, and the side effects are rather unpleasant.<br><br>
Caffiene info: <a href="http://www.energyfiend.com" target="_blank">www.energyfiend.com</a>
 

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I've been trying to quit coffee for a couple of days now and I have come to the conclusion that caffeine is incredible. But I hate that I'm addicted to it.<br><br><br><br>
I think probably caffeine is okay in moderation, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't be better for your health to not pump a stimulant in your system on a daily basis.<br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">[anal spelling guy]<br><br>
i before e except after c and in loads of other instances where this stupid rule doesn't apply like caffeine, neighbor, protein, seize, foreign, inveigle, etc. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
[/anal spelling guy]</span>
 

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oh man. sorry, i did spell that wrong. i changed it from ie to ei then back to ie cause ei didn't look right to me. but i guess i didn't choose wisely. my bad. i'm usually the one correcting other peoples spellings. haha, oh well.<br><br><br><br>
but yeah, i used to drink green tea, but i don't really like it as much as i like the black.
 

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From everything I've read, it's not really that bad, plus teas and coffees have health benefits (decaf? what's that?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> )<br><br><br><br>
That said, I, queen of caffeine to some who know me, has been drinking half and half. And I actually found I function a little bit better than I did. I sleep better, too. I also take ADHD medication, so maybe the coffee was overload, though YMMV.<br><br><br><br>
So gradually switch to a decaf mix, see what happens. (warning, risk of horrible headaches which suddenly disappear after about 24-48 hrs. if not gradual.)
 

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alright, dilema:<br><br>
i've been vegan for a year and i'm trying to go as natural as possible but i'm absolutely addicted to black tea with agave nectar which has loads of caffiene,<br><br>
is caffiene really that bad?</div>
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Caffeine occurs naturally in black tea. If you're trying to go "as natural as possible" then you don't need to worry about the caffeine, it is there "naturally".
 

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I think caffeine is bad. It's a drug. It affects your body negatively. I can feel when I consume caffeine, my whole body feels different.
 

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I think caffeine is bad. It's a drug. It affects your body negatively. I can feel when I consume caffeine, my whole body feels different.</div>
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It is called a buzz <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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It is called a buzz <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"></div>
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heh. I call it scary. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I dunno if caffeine is that bad, but coffee tastes like ****.
 
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i used to drink a shedload of coffee- and thought strong black coffee tasted great (with like a bajillion sugars in it so the spoon practically stands up in the cup... rich coffee syrupy goodness, mmmm) and the whole caffeine buzz thing is also pretty great- in a sort of 'scary shaky hyper- need to pee ten minutes after a cupfull, then feel suddenly very tired 3 hours afterwards' kinda way. its like a mild legal version of speed in some respects, lol.<br><br><br><br>
but i don't like feeling dependant on it- or any chemical (i drank a lot of coffee and ate a bunch of caffeine pills regularly in college, and really noticed a dependancy thing going on) and i don't like how it affects me- the last thing i need is messing with like that, i'm pretty sensitive to chemicals, i reckon, and i'm already all over the place without much coffee based intervention, lol.<br><br><br><br>
i like to imagine, from time to time, what would happen if the worlds caffeine supply was suddenly cut off cold, and everyones nescafe gold blend just disappeared overnight. there would be a lot of jittery cranky people around for a few weeks, and a few murders and car wrecks as a result too, i bet. i find it quite scary, in a way, that huge numbers of members of many societies are self medicating themselves with caffeine- just doesn't seem healthy, or just 'right' on some level.<br><br><br><br>
anyway, i stopped drinking coffee about 6 years ago. i feel much better without the ups and downs that caffeine causes. i think i'm better off with my body doing its own natural 'time to be alert ... time to be sleepy' thing, than my trying to push and pull it into doing what i want, when i want, by chemical means.<br><br><br><br>
i guess though i built up a tollerance to it, i'd be really sensitive to it now- i had a cup of decaf a year or two ago, and firstly, it was foul, secondly, it really make my stomach hurt, thirdly, despite being decaf, it made me pretty shaky- that was what i beleive will be my last ever dabble into the crazy drug haze that is caffeine use, lmao.
 

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As much as I love coffee, I don't think it's good for your body. I've been drinking it since 5th or 6th grade, now I'm almost 18 and I'm trying to kick the habit. Up until last week I was drinking 2 large cups every morning, then another cup or two during the day. I'm now drink 1 small (maybe 6 oz.?) cup every morning. Next week I plan to stop altogether.<br><br><br><br>
I find that it leaves me very dehydrated, and I could never consistantly drink extra water every day to make up for it. As a result, my skin, stomach, etc. was going crazy.<br><br><br><br>
Also, since I've cut back I've had a constant dull headache. When you stop consuming something and your body reacts in that way, I really don't think it can be good for you.<br><br><br><br>
(Just my 2 cents.)
 

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I've looked at a fair number of studies about the affect of caffeine (though mostly as coffee) on health, and overall (with a few exceptions) it seems that small amounts of caffeine (the equivalent of a couple of cups of coffee per day) either has no effect or is slightly beneficial, and a lot of caffeine is detrimental.<br><br><br><br>
I gave up coffee not because of the possibility of health effects (I was drinking 1 cup a day most days, and rarely 2 cups), but I was sick of being so heavily reliant on it on a daily basis to prevent headaches. If I skipped my coffee one morning, by the afternoon I would be suffering from a caffeine withdrawal headache, and that annoyed me.<br><br><br><br>
The best way to give up caffeine is to wean yourself off of it so you don't experience withdrawal symptoms. I gradually mixed more decaf into mine every day until it was all decaf.. then I just stopped drinking it.
 

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psycho active drug<br><br>
Some facts I found<br><br><br><br>
highly addictive and causing unpleasant withdrawal symptoms if we stop drinking it suddenly<br><br>
a little bit of coffee may reduce fertility by damaging sperm.<br><br>
affect the amount of time the baby spends resting, which could lead to abnormal behaviour later on<br><br>
Early experiments showed that low concentrations of caffeine may produce small decreases in heart rate, whereas higher concentrations may make the heart beat abnormally fast<br><br>
In the brain it constricts the cerebral blood vessels. If you're used to drinking several cups of coffee a day but then you quit, those blood vessels will dilate, maybe enough to give you a powerful headache. It's one of the best known withdrawal symptoms<br><br>
Many people know that caffeine is a strong diuretic - it makes you urinate more than usual. Apparently this is due to increasing the blood flow through the kidneys.<br><br>
It can produce insomnia - delaying the onset of sleep and reducing total sleeping time. It has a small effect on respiration by increasing blood flow through the lungs and increasing the supply of air by relaxing bronchiolar and alveolar smooth muscle. That's why it's proving effective in treating the breathing problems of some prematurely born infants.<br><br>
Caffeine, Conception and Babies<br><br><br><br>
One recent report from the US revealed that women who drink in excess of one cup of coffee every day are only half as likely to conceive as those who drink less than a cup a day.<br><br><br><br>
The odds are considerably worse if women drink more than two and a half cups a day. Then they are nearly 5 times less likely to conceive as women who drink no coffee at all.<br><br><br><br>
Because there's not been as much research on caffeine as there has on nicotine and alcohol, this drug's effects on human development are not yet known. However a number of studies have shown that as little as 2 or 3 cups of brewed coffee every day during pregnancy can result in lowered infant birthweight.<br><br><br><br>
Other studies have claimed that caffeine consumption during pregnancy is associated with prematurity, poorer reflexes and neuromuscular development.<br><br><br><br>
It also appears that heavy caffeine use can affect a newborn baby.<br><br><br><br>
When doctors ask mothers if they have been taking drugs they will think of drugs like heroin but they will not necessarily think of caffeine - it's a social drink, not a drug to them. Because caffeine is so widely used many people drink quite large quantities and don't realise that they have taken something potentially harmful to the baby. And this doesn't apply just to coffee and tea. Some pregnant women drink large amounts of cola beverages which also contain significant levels of caffeine.<br><br><br><br>
Caffeine gets across the placenta very easily and if the mother continues to ingest her coffee or caffeine-containing beverage the foetus will end up having as much caffeine as the mother. If the mother stops drinking then within 24 hours the foetus may experience withdrawal symptoms. The same thing may happen immediately after birth when the baby is suddenly cut off from the maternal supply of caffeine, although it should be pointed out that this isn't common. The withdrawal from caffeine has been described as similar to what is seen in babies born to heroin addicts. These babies will cry, they don't sleep, they are agitated and restless, they wriggle and abrade the skin on their hands and knees, and they sweat.<br><br><br><br>
There's a suggestion that such withdrawal "dysfunction" may be a contributing factor in infant disorders like neonatal apnoea (where the baby "forgets" to breathe properly) and sudden infant death syndrome. (For further information see "A Guide to Reproduction: Social Issues And Human Concerns" by Dr Irina Pollard, Cambridge University Press, 1994).<br><br><br><br>
Caffeine seems to disrupt the body clock rhythms of extreme morning people. By contast the rhythms of the evening types are disturbed by the absence of caffeine. Dr Mitchell believes evening people use caffeine to keep their rhythms regular.<br><br><br><br>
One of the strongest findings was that if morning people had caffeine after about 10am, their mood went down quite dramatically. This could be because caffeine has disrupted their underlying rhythms.
 

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I guess caffeine is a drug so you are in effect "addicted" the same as someone might be addicted to heroine - you crave it and get withdrawal symptoms if you don't get some. You also gradually need a larger and larger dose to have the same effect - I guess that's why some people end up drinking 6 or more cups a day just to feel "normal."<br><br><br><br>
I had to give up caffeine a few years ago, as it started to trigger my IBS. I have found that I don't crave it at all now and I actually feel less tired!
 

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I guess caffeine is a drug so you are in effect "addicted" the same as someone might be addicted to heroine - you crave it and get withdrawal symptoms if you don't get some. You also gradually need a larger and larger dose to have the same effect - I guess that's why some people end up drinking 6 or more cups a day just to feel "normal."<br><br><br><br>
I had to give up caffeine a few years ago, as it started to trigger my IBS. I have found that I don't crave it at all now and I actually feel less tired!</div>
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Yes, caffeine is a drug. You may need a more and more coffee to get the "buzzed" feeling, but I was a coffee drinker for many years and was always content with one cup a day (a few times a year I would have a second cup during the day).<br><br><br><br>
I have heard that caffeine can make you crash later in the day, so that could be why you feel better now. Or it could be because your IBS isn't acting up and allowing you to feel better.<br><br><br><br>
Some studies showed that we use more of our brain (or we use it more efficiently.. I forget the details) when we have had some caffeine. I've noticed since I've given it up that I feel like I have a bit of brain fog. The fact that it goes away with a cup of coffee doesn't make styaing off the stuff much easier <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":down:">
 
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