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I look up most opf my recipes on the web in place like:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.cok.net" target="_blank">Compassion Over Killing [COK]</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vegweb.com" target="_blank">VegWeb</a><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.veganchef.com/" target="_blank">The Vegan Chef</a><br><br><br><br>
and there are also delicious recipes right here in the forums!<br><br><br><br>
As far as dad goes, just ignore him. Don't let him bring you down over your beliefs. Make it clear that no matter how much he badgers you, it does not change how you believe.<br><br><br><br>
People tell me I'm going to die because I'm vegan. They tell me my body cannot function properly on such a diet. So I tell them that I would die in the name of veganism because I believe that strongly in it.
 

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my mom is afraid to talk to him. <b>his mom</b> is afraid to talk to him...</div>
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All the more reason to have some compasion for him. It sounds like he is having problems. Due to stress, life style, or who knows. Ther are lots of ways to befriend your dad, without changing your diet. Do you think he really wants to be ostracized from your family. it sound like maybe talking to someone who deals with family and personal problems is in order. Although this is never and easy step maybe you with your insite andkind words can bring about positive change.
 

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Lots of better quality dark chocolate is dairy free, like Lindt, Scharffen Berger, Endangered Species, Rapunzel, Green & Black, Hachez... the list goes on. Some folks also say you can sometimes find inexpensive store brands that are dairy free, you just have to check the labels carefully. Well, that's true for all brands.<br><br><br><br>
Also try checking out these two tips:<br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1175121&postcount=19" target="_blank">Tip of the Day: Dairy Alternatives</a><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=50249&page=7" target="_blank">Tip of the Day: Egg Alternatives</a><br><br><br><br>
The second one contains some links to recipes for vegan baked goods including brownies, chocolate cake, chocolate chip cookies, and double chocolate cookies. You can still have your chocolate!
 

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I buy the little semi sweet chocolate chips in a bag, by Organics, with no milk, butter, and soy lecithin. $3.00 will get you a 12 oz. bag. Good to mix with some nuts to munch. Got to read the lable though.
 

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I buy the little semi sweet chocolate chips in a bag, by Organics, with no milk, butter, and soy lecithin. $3.00 will get you a 12 oz. bag. Good to mix with some nuts to munch. Got to read the lable though.</div>
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Ghirardelli semi-sweet (NOT bittersweet -- be careful!) chocolate chips are also vegan, and sooo very tasty. A little handful of them is just perfect for a fairly low-calorie chocolate fix. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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If you need chocolate <i>chips</i> both Walmart and Shoprite (if you have one around you) sell store brand chocolate chips with no dairy products. Be careful with Walmart because they have both semi sweet and MILK chocolate types. Of course the semi sweet is the only dairy free one. They're affordable.<br><br>
The only brownie recipe I've tried was kind of yucky. I could taste the applesauce and tofu in it so I haven't made any since.<br><br>
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At your local grocery store, if you check the ingredients, the no-name (CO-OP brand, Harmonie, etc) brand chocolate chips will be vegan.<br><br><br><br>
I love chocolate too, which is why I'm not lazy I make <a href="http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=6311.0" target="_blank">these brownies.</a> Oh, and Lindt makes vegan chocolate bars, you just have to check the ingredients.<br><br><br><br>
As for the dad issue, just keep telling him that you are able to live on a vegan diet, as long as you replace what you're missing out on. When my dad started getting on my case, I just bought my own food. That helped out a bit, and I don't hear so much about it anymore. Mind you even when I did buy my food it still kept up a bit, but when he seen that I wasn't giving up, he backed down.
 

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As for the dad issue, just keep telling him that you are able to live on a vegan diet, as long as you replace what you're missing out on.</div>
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most meat eaters are deficient in at least 7 vitamins, so do not just 'replace what you're missing out on.' that would mean still being as deficient as the average american! your best bet is to read up on nutrition, something most people know nothing about.
 

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are cinnamon flavored tic tacs vegan? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"><br><br><br><br>
ETA: nevermind. thanks for the replies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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most meat eaters are deficient in at least 7 vitamins</div>
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I've always suspected something like this. Do you happen to have a link? I'd love to give omnis a link to this when they tell me I don't get enough protein or something.
 

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I've always suspected something like this. Do you happen to have a link? I'd love to give omnis a link to this when they tell me I don't get enough protein or something.</div>
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<br><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drgreger.org/september2003.html" target="_blank">http://www.drgreger.org/september2003.html</a>
 

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Your dad sounds stressed and overwhelmed. And so do you.<br><br><br><br>
However, Dad also sounds like he wants whats best for you (unfortunately he doesn't know have the knowledge in nutrition to make an informed decision in this case - and that's too bad).<br><br>
Parents may come across as harsh, uncaring or disinterested, but that's usually the last thing they're TRYING to be. Believe it or not, they usually have the best of intentions, even when those intentions sometimes go against what their children would like.<br><br>
They've been on the planet a lot longer than you have and probably won't ever "see things your way". It's an unfortunate fact of life.<br><br><br><br>
Since there will always be people (bosses, teachers, neighbors, friends, in-laws, supervisors, co-workers) who "dont listen" and "don't understand" and "bug you" it's probably good practice to begin learning ways to cope and work WITH this sort of personality rather than always fighting against it.<br><br>
You don't have to give in, or give up your goals, or be a doormat, but it's amazing what a difference there is if one person just has a change in attitude and tries to be a peacemaker and tries to 'get along' and understand where the other person is coming from instead of ignoring and "never talking".<br><br>
It might surprise you.<br><br><br><br>
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Great! Thanx! Bookmarked! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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my dad's always bugging me to cook for myself (which i do but there isn't much to eat...). and he won't stop about how being vegan is unhealthy or how i can't have children because they'd die being fed vegan foods or how i'm not helping any animals or the enviroment on top of all the other crap he goes on and on about.</div>
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It sounds like he's just not understanding veganism enough to support you. He's probably afraid for your health, so it sounds like the best approach is going to be the calm, logical one. You just need to address each of his concerns and talk through them with him... Once he sees that you are well-educated and willing to be rational and systematic, he'll probably be more willing to accept your choice.<br><br><br><br><b>"He won't stop about how being vegan is unhealthy."</b><br><br><br><br><i>From <a href="http://www.goveg.com" target="_blank">www.goveg.com:</a></i><br><br>
"A meat-free diet rich in complex carbohydrates, protein, fiber, omega-3 fatty acids, vitamins, and minerals provides optimal nutrition for both children and adults, forming the foundation for dietary habits that support a lifetime of good health. Leading medical organizations agree that balanced plant-based diets are healthy and provide protection against numerous diseases, including our country’s three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer and strokes. The American Dietetic Association states that vegetarians have “lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; … lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer” and that vegetarians also tend to be slimmer than meat-eaters. Vegetarian foods provide us with all the nutrients that we need, minus the saturated fat, cholesterol, and contaminants found in meat and dairy products.<br><br><br><br>
A plant-based diet has long-term benefits, too. It protects us against some of the leading killers in America today. Research has shown that vegetarians are 50 percent less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters. Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are.<br><br><br><br>
The consumption of meat and dairy products has been conclusively linked with heart disease, obesity, diabetes, arthritis, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and impotence. Scientists have also found that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than their meat-eating friends; this means that they are less susceptible to everyday illnesses like the flu. Vegetarians and vegans live, on average, six to 10 years longer than meat-eaters."<br><br><br><br>
Read about the connections between eating meat and the following --<br><br><br><br>
Heart disease: <a href="http://goveg.com/heartdisease.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/heartdisease.asp</a><br><br>
Cancer: <a href="http://goveg.com/cancer.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/cancer.asp</a><br><br>
Impotence: <a href="http://goveg.com/impotence.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/impotence.asp</a><br><br>
Obesity: <a href="http://goveg.com/obesity.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/obesity.asp</a><br><br>
Alzheimer's: <a href="http://goveg.com/alzheimers.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/alzheimers.asp</a><br><br><br><br>
More to come. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<b>"...or how I can't have children because they'd die being fed vegan foods..."</b><br><br><br><br>
Feeding your kids vegan foods would be decidedly <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1320950" target="_blank">http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/e...post&p=1320950</a><br><br>
Edit/Delete Messagemore healthy than feeding them meat, as you can see from the information below. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"><br><br><br><br><i>From goveg.com:</i><br><br>
"A plant-based diet is the best diet for kids, too: Studies have shown that vegetarian kids grow taller and have higher IQs than their classmates, and they are at a reduced risk for heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and other diseases in the long run."<br><br><br><br><br><br>
“Feeding meat to your children will adversely affect their health in both the short and the long term. Meats are packed with hormones, dioxins, heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics, and other contaminants. Some of the antibiotics that are found in chicken flesh are even arsenic-based. These chemicals are ingested by the animals who are exploited on factory farms and then accumulate in the flesh and fat of these animals. Herbicides and pesticides are also dumped on the crops that are fed to animals on factory farms—this means that these poisons are concentrated in the meat at a level that is 14 times higher than that found in vegetables. Furthermore, since these toxins are in the animals’ flesh, it’s impossible to wash them away.<br><br>
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the consumption of meat causes 70 percent of the food poisoning cases in the United States each year. This is not surprising when you consider the fact that meat can be contaminated with a host of dangerous bacteria—including E. coli, salmonella, and campylobacter. Sadly, adults aren’t the only ones who feel the effects of this contaminated food. Recent outbreaks of E. coli have shown that these pathogens can be deadly when consumed by children.<br><br><br><br>
Benjamin Spock, M.D., author of the highly acclaimed parenting guide Dr. Spock’s Baby and Child Care, wrote, “Children who grow up getting their nutrition from plant foods rather than meats have a tremendous health advantage. They are less likely to develop weight problems, diabetes, high blood pressure, and some forms of cancer.”<br><br><br><br><br><br>
“Indeed, the saturated fat and the complete lack of fiber in a flesh-based diet can make your child overweight and lethargic in the short term and can contribute to chronic illnesses like heart disease, diabetes, and cancer in the long term.<br><br>
In contrast, a healthy vegetarian diet gives children all the protein, calcium, and vitamins that they need to be strong and healthy. Vegetarian kids have the opportunity to be free from the fat, cholesterol, and chemical toxins that are found in fish, chicken, pork, and other meats.”<br><br>
Think milk does a young body good? Think again. Mother cows produce milk for one reason—to feed their own babies. Giving dairy products to human youngsters is unnatural and unhealthy. For one thing, cow’s milk contains proteins that may cause or aggravate a variety of conditions in infants, toddlers, and older children. Furthermore, the American Academy of Pediatricians found that ‘infants fed whole cow’s milk receive inadequate amounts of [v]itamin E, iron, essential fatty acids, and excessive amounts of protein, potassium, and sodium.’”<br><br><br><br><br><br>
“<span style="text-decoration:underline;">Digestive Distress</span><br><br>
Giving cow’s milk to your infant can lead to an upset stomach, diarrhea, and crying. Switching from formulas that are based on cow’s milk to soy-based formulas often eliminates the discomfort. Even breast-fed babies may develop digestive problems if their mothers consume dairy products. A study published in the journal Pediatrics shows that the proteins in cow’s milk are transferred to babies through their mothers’ breast milk.”<br><br><br><br>
“<span style="text-decoration:underline;">Obesity and Other Disorders</span><br><br>
Stomachaches are only the beginning of the problems that your kids may face if you give them dairy products. Milk consumption can contribute to asthma, canker sores, constipation, recurrent ear infections, iron deficiency, and anemia. Learn more about the detrimental effects that dairy products can have on your kids’ health.<br><br><br><br>
Consuming dairy products can also make kids overweight. There is a reason why dairy products are so fattening—they’re packed with fat and calories. In fact, calves can gain almost 500 pounds by the time they are weaned from their mothers. The empty fat and sugar calories in cow’s milk will add to your child’s waistline and will detract from his or her health. Learn more about the link between dairy-product consumption and obesity.”<br><br><br><br>
“<span style="text-decoration:underline;">Healthy Kids Are Dairy-Free</span><br><br>
It’s never too early to encourage healthy eating habits. In his acclaimed book Baby and Child Care, the late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America’s most respected pediatrician, recommends that parents raise their children on a vegan diet. ‘We now know that there are harmful effects of a meaty diet,’ wrote Spock. ‘Children who grow up getting their nutrition from plant foods rather than meats have a tremendous health advantage. They are less likely to develop weight problems, diabetes, high blood pressure, and some forms of cancer. ... I no longer recommend dairy products. ... [T]here was a time when cow’s milk was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this recommendation.’ Doctors and concerned parents agree—consuming dairy products is unnatural, and it can make children sick.”
 

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<b>Diet Plans for Vegan Children</b><br><br>
(<a href="http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/kids.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/kids.htm</a>)<br><br><br><br>
TODDLERS AND PRESCHOOLERS (AGE 1-4)<br><br><br><br>
FOOD GROUP & NUMBER OF SERVINGS<br><br><br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Grains</span>: 6 or more (a serving is 1/2 to 1 slice of bread or 1/4 to 1/2 cup cooked cereal or grain or pasta or 1/2 to 1 cup ready-to-eat cereal)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Legumes, Nuts, Seeds</span>: 2 or more (a serving is 1/4 to 1/2 cup cooked beans, tofu, tempeh or TVP; or 1-1/2 to 3 ounces of meat analogue; or 1 to 2 Tbsp. nuts, seeds, nut or seed butter<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fortified soymilk, etc</span>: 3 (a serving is 1 cup fortified soymilk, infant formula, or breast milk)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Vegetables</span>: 2 or more (a serving is 1/4 to 1/2 cup cooked or 1/2 to 1 cup raw vegetables)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fruits</span>: 3 or more (a serving is 1/4 to 1/2 cup canned fruit or 1/2 cup juice, or 1 medium fruit)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fats</span>: 3 (1 tsp. margarine or oil)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN<br><br><br><br>
FOOD GROUP & NUMBER OF SERVINGS<br><br><br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Grains</span>: 6 or more for 4 to 6 yr olds; 7 or more for 7 to 12 yr olds (a serving is 1 slice of bread or 1/2 cup cooked cereal or grain or pasta or 3/4 to 1 cup ready-to-eat cereal)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Legumes, Nuts, Seeds</span>: 1 to 1/2 to 3 for 4 to 6 yr olds; 3 or more for 7 to 12 yr olds (a serving is 1/2 cup cooked beans, tofu, tempeh or TVP; or 3 ounces of meat analogue; or 2 Tbsp nuts, seeds, nut or seed butter<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fortified Soymilk, etc.</span>: 3 (a serving is 1 cup fortified soymilk)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Vegetables</span>: 1-1/2 to 3 for 4 to 6 yr olds; 4 or more for 7 to 12 yr olds (a serving is 1/2 cup cooked or 1 cup raw vegetables)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fruits</span>: 2 to 4 for 4 to 6 yr olds; 3 or more for 7 to 12 yr olds (a serving is 1/2 cup canned fruit or 3/4 cup juice, or 1 medium fruit)<br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fats</span>: 4 for 4 to 6 yr olds; 5 for 7 to 12 yr olds (a serving is 1 tsp. margarine or oil)<br><br><br><br>
Notes: Serving sizes vary depending on the child's age.
 

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<b>"...or how I'm not helping any animals or the environment..."</b><br><br><br><br>
“<span style="text-decoration:underline;">Meat and the Environment</span><br><br>
Would you ever open your refrigerator, pull out 16 plates of pasta and toss them in the trash, and then eat just one plate of food? How about leveling 55 square feet of rain forest for a single meal or dumping 2,500 gallons of water down the drain? Of course you wouldn't. But if you're eating chicken, fish, turkey, pork, or beef, that's what you're doing—wasting resources and destroying our environment.<br><br><br><br>
Animals raised for food expend the vast majority of the calories that they are fed simply existing, just as we do. We feed more than 70 percent of the grains and cereals we grow to farmed animals, and almost all of those calories go into simply keeping the animals alive, not making them grow. Only a small fraction of the calories consumed by farmed animals are actually converted into the meat that people eat.<br><br><br><br>
Growing all the crops to feed farmed animals requires massive amounts of water and land—in fact, nearly half of the water and 80 percent of the agricultural land in the United States are used to raise animals for food. Our taste for meat is also taking a toll on our supply of fuel and other nonrenewable resources—about one-third of the raw materials used in America each year is consumed by the farmed animal industry.<br><br><br><br>
Farmed animals produce about 130 times as much excrement as the entire human population of the United States, and since factory farms don't have sewage treatment systems as our cities and towns do, this concentrated slop ends up polluting our water, destroying our topsoil, and contaminating our air. And meat-eaters are responsible for the production of 100 percent of this waste—about 86,000 pounds per second! Give up animal products, and you'll be responsible for none of it.<br><br><br><br>
Many leading environmental organizations, including the National Audubon Society, the WorldWatch Institute, the Sierra Club, and the Union of Concerned Scientists, have recognized that raising animals for food damages the environment more than just about anything else that we do. Whether it's the overuse of resources, unchecked water or air pollution, or soil erosion, raising animals for food is wreaking havoc on the Earth. The most important step you can take to save the planet is to go vegetarian.”<br><br><br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Wasted resources</span><br><br>
Land: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources.asp#land" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources.asp#land</a><br><br>
Food: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources-food.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources-food.asp</a><br><br>
Energy: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources-energy.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources-energy.asp</a><br><br>
Water: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources-water.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-wastedResources-water.asp</a><br><br><br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Pollution</span><br><br>
Fecal Contamination: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-pollution.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-pollution.asp</a><br><br>
Water: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-waterwedrink.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-waterwedrink.asp</a><br><br>
Air: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-airwebreathe.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-airwebreathe.asp</a><br><br>
Global Warming: <a href="http://goveg.com/environment-globalwarming.asp" target="_blank">http://goveg.com/environment-globalwarming.asp</a><br><br><br><br><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Animal Suffering</span><br><br><br><br>
“Caring for the environment means protecting all of our planet's inhabitants. Animals on modern factory farms are deprived of everything that is natural to them, and they are treated in ways that would warrant felony cruelty-to-animals charges if the victims were dogs or cats. Chickens' beaks are sliced off with a hot blade, pigs' tails are chopped off and their teeth clipped with pliers, and male cows and pigs are castrated, all without any pain relief. The animals are confined to crowded, filthy warehouses and dosed with powerful drugs to make them grow so quickly that their hearts and limbs often cannot keep up—they frequently become crippled or suffer from heart attacks when they're only a few weeks old. Finally, at the slaughterhouse, they are hung upside-down and their throats are slit, often while they are still conscious. What kind of environmentalist can support any of that?”
 
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