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<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13885457" target="_blank">Burglar stabbed to death.</a><br><br>
Hmmm. See, the stabbing I have no issue with. That's come uppance in my eyes.<br><br>
Carrying the body away down the street, however... Hmmm.<br><br>
Would you have sympathy for someone killed in your house whilst they were trying to steal from you?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Grubnutter</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2921041"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13885457" target="_blank">Burglar stabbed to death.</a><br><br>
Would you have sympathy for someone killed in your house whilst they were trying to steal from you?</div>
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Lol wtf the house owner was arrested, for what? And it was the other burglars that carried the body away, so i'm confused? i live in the US, can you not defend yourself in your own home in the UK?
 

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Would you have sympathy for someone killed in your house whilst they were trying to steal from you?</div>
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only slightly.<br><br>
it's not like I think you should aim to kill everyone who tries to steal from you.
 

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Lol wtf the house owner was arrested, for what? And it was the other burglars that carried the body away, so i'm confused? i live in the US, can you not defend yourself in your own home in the UK?</div>
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I'm curious about that too. I live in California and I'm pretty sure you have the right to protect your home. I know that's the law in Texas <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:">
 

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I'm curious about that too. I live in California and I'm pretty sure you have the right to protect your home. I know that's the law in Texas <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"></div>
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Off topic lol but what part of Cali? I live there too.
 

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Off topic lol but what part of Cali? I live there too.</div>
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Southern <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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Me too lol what city? And i have to stay on topic so, no i wouldn't have sympathy for the person, their family maybe, as long as they weren't crappy parents to begin with and that's why they were a criminal.
 

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I'm curious about that too. I live in California and I'm pretty sure you have the right to protect your home. I know that's the law in Texas <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"></div>
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I am not a lawyer; I don't even play one on TV.<br><br>
However, my sister is a lawyer in Texas.<br><br>
Here is my understanding of the law.<br><br>
First, Texas has unusual laws that state you can use deadly force to protect your property from theft. It's practically the Wild West. Most states do <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> have such laws.<br><br>
Second, most states have laws allowing you to use deadly force in a case of self-defense. This is <b>NOT</b> a right to protect your property. It is a right to protect <b>yourself</b> if you have a reasonable belief/fear that you are threatened with death or serious bodily harm.<br><br>
In many states, the right of self-defense is limited by a duty to retreat, i.e., if you can deal with the threat by leaving, you have to leave rather than use deadly force against your attacker. However, in many states, an exception is made to the duty to retreat if you are in your own home or place of residence.<br><br>
I suspect that the law in the UK is about the same as the law in most states in the US (see under "second" above).
 

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Not saying this is representative, but here's what can happen in the UK:<br><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm</a><br><br>
I have very little knowledge of the law, but I'm pretty sure in the UK we can't really do anything, except if it was definitely self-defense.
 

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I am not a lawyer; I don't even play one on TV.<br><br>
However, my sister is a lawyer in Texas.<br><br>
Here is my understanding of the law.<br><br>
First, Texas has unusual laws that state you can use deadly force to protect your property from theft. It's practically the Wild West. Most states do <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not</span> have such laws.<br><br>
Second, most states have laws allowing you to use deadly force in a case of self-defense. This is <b>NOT</b> a right to protect your property. It is a right to protect <b>yourself</b> if you have a reasonable belief/fear that you are threatened with death or serious bodily harm.<br><br>
In many states, the right of self-defense is limited by a duty to retreat, i.e., if you can deal with the threat by leaving, you have to leave rather than use deadly force against your attacker. However, in many states, an exception is made to the duty to retreat if you are in your own home or place of residence.<br><br>
I suspect that the law in the UK is about the same as the law in most states in the US (see under "second" above).</div>
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Recently a man shot a drunk guy who was on his property (he was at the wrong house). According to the news article, the man was not going to be charged with any wrong doing, even though the drunk guy had no weapons and was outside of his house (front yard). I fail to see how that would be self defense since the guy wasn't armed. Laws are tricky, I know they vary by state.
 

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If all they were doing was trying to steal my stuff and get out quick, yes a bit. If they intended to hurt me as well, no. Fortunately the chances of a person ever being able to get into my house is practically zero so I'm hoping I'll never know how much sympathy I'd feel.
 

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I'll give my Canadian insight...if they were only trying to take stuff, and had no intention of causing harm (Most burglars, I believe, don't have this intention) then I would feel terrible. They are just another person trying to get by. True, it's wrong, and they should be punished, but death is too severe for just doing what you gotta do to survive.<br><br>
In this specific case, I don't see how they can charge the homeowners. It says they called the police, and FOUR people were trying to break in. I would feel like my safety was threatened, that's for sure.
 

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Recently a man shot a drunk guy who was on his property (he was at the wrong house). According to the news article, the man was not going to be charged with any wrong doing, even though the drunk guy had no weapons and was outside of his house (front yard). I fail to see how that would be self defense since the guy wasn't armed. Laws are tricky, I know they vary by state.</div>
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This raises another issue: prosecutorial discretion. A prosecutor is free <b>not</b> to charge a person, even if he/she believes that person has committed a crime, for any reason he/she chooses (or for no reason). If the same thing happened in another prosecutor's district, it looks like the homeowner could have been charged with murder or some sort of manslaughter.
 

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Not saying this is representative, but here's what can happen in the UK:<br><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2988830.stm</a><br><br>
I have very little knowledge of the law, but I'm pretty sure in the UK we can't really do anything, except if it was definitely self-defense.</div>
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Criminals (or their surviving relatives) can file "wrongful death" civil suits here in the US, or other such civil suits. So, contrary to what one may see in films, it is not prudent to shoot anyone unless you are acting in self-defence.<br><br>
Now, whether juries will award damages to criminals when these cases come to trial is another thing. I suspect most of these cases are settled out of court.
 

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I guess it depends WHY they were stealing. If they were some junkie or stealing my belongings to turn a profit, then I'd have no sympathy whatsoever. If they were some starving person who was stealing from my refrigerator or just kids up to silly kid stuff, then I'd be pretty upset. If someone's hungry I'd be happy to cook them a decent meal. And kids... Well we've all done our share of stupid stuff, I'm sure.
 

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As has been mentioned, it does vary from state to state. But typically, you have the right to respond with similar force. This means even in cases of self defense, you might not be legally justified in taking a life if, for example, the person is aggressive, threatening, etc., but unarmed.<br><br>
I don't agree with this in all situations, because it's not necessarily fair considering the nature of most victims and attackers. I mean, I'm a 200 pound guy who simply looks military at first glance. I don't get mugged in dark alleys very often by people looking for an easy victim. But let's say, for example, a 250 pound man, unarmed, attacks a 100 pound girl. She obviously doesn't have the option to respond with equal or similar force, but if she were to pull a gun and shoot in self defense, she could be prosecuted for pulling a lethal weapon on an unarmed attacker because it could be deemed excessive. But what else is she gonna do? Kung fu him? Or better yet, pepper spray? That stuff is absolutely useless.<br><br>
And if you come across someone robbing your house, so long as you perceive them to be a threat, you are usually justified to defend yourself. The second they turn their back and begin to run or otherwise display that they have no intent to be aggressive towards you, it doesn't matter if they are running away with half your possessions. The most you can do is call the police and give a description.<br><br>
Law aside, I have absolutely no sympathy for people who choose to prey on others. None. Zero. Life is hard, and that isn't any less true for the people they're preying on. If they choose to live outside the law, they have no business calling upon it to save their ass when it backfires on them.
 

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People should learn to aim for the leg.
 

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Easier said than done when your adrenaline is pumping. An unexperienced person who is suddenly put into a life or death situation will either run like hell until the adrenaline rush wears off, or begin emptying clips until the adrenaline rush wears off. Logic and being rational is out the window, not much you can do about it.
 
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