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I just got back from seeing this film.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">A thriller that zeros in on the relationship between a veteran ballet dancer and a rival.</div>
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spoiler includes notes about The Wrestler, so, be warned. MAJOR PLOT POINTS SPOILER FOR BOTH FILMS (MEANING THE ENDING) IN THE SPOILER TAGS BELOW.<br><br><a class="spoiler-link H-spoiler-toggle" href="#"><strong>Warning: Spoiler!</strong> <span class="spoiler-help">(Click to show)</span></a><div class="spoiler-hidden">Pander and I went to see this and honestly as soon as it started I felt for her. Ballet is one of those things that people have no honest idea about. It's a violent and depressing and a vengeful art, which is so short and fleeting. I read in a couple articles that Aronofsky would have liked to show both The Wrestler & Black Swan together, or even make them the same movie. I entirely agree. Both centered on two people at the brink of making a serious choice -- to give in or fight for it, and both choose to do so, and, they both are rewarded and both die.</div>
A lot of it was close to home, which made it even harder to watch. Some of the scenes were like cut out of my own brain, watching my older sister destroy her toe shoes before wearing them, stepping into the resin, etc. Both The Wrestler & Swan Queen dive into self destructive, harmful insanity. The editing, acting, soundtrack and the dance choregroaphy were excellent. It was startling and brutal and scathing. The person who I think needs more credit is Wynona Ryder. She was the aging, failing prima ballerina whos downfall was the cataylst for Nina (and Lily's) own insanity. She was only on screen for maybe 10 minutes but she stole every minute of those few. Her Beth was painful to watch in her desperation, humiliation and crisis. It's no surprise she does what she does -- perhaps she sees it as revenge, or maybe as a warning, or maybe just an act of her own self destructive psychosis. As for Natalie Portman - she did excellent. Although at first I thought the role was too easy for her, a good girl, how hard could it be for her to do that? I quickly changed my mind as her mother perversly examined her, shamed her, and lived vicariously through her, even as she failed at her own ****ty art. When she became The Swan I had to gasp, she was amazing to watch. I know she's an actress, but her movements could have fooled me, even as a girl who danced for awhile. I highly highly highly highly highly suggest this film.
 

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YES. I'm excited to see it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I plan to see it, so I didn't read any of the above. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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hey now, i hid the really important spoilers, the rest was just my overview (review) of the film!
 

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I like to know as little as possible about a film that I know I'm going to see.<br><br>
I saw it yesterday. It was very good, but some parts seemed a little stereotypical, and it was difficult for me to totally understand what parts were supposed to be real.<br><br>
Barbara Hershey looked awful.
 

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I loved loved loved this movie. It was intense. I related so much to her character. (although I'm not crazy)
 

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I loved this film. I agree with many critics, that the symbolism was very heavy handed, and the secondary characters were rather two-dimensional (who grew? who changed? none of them was anything more than a prop to manipulate the main character).<br><br>
But Natalie Portman's performance was courageous and flawless. and the thrill of the story, as her psychosis develops, was intense!
 

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Yes, perhaps it was heavy handed, but I've talked to many people who were not aware of the ugly side of the ballet world and think that it showed things some people don't often think about. I agree with your assessment! It was intense and disturbing.
 

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I loved this film. I agree with many critics, that the symbolism was very heavy handed, and the secondary characters were rather two-dimensional (who grew? who changed? none of them was anything more than a prop to manipulate the main character).</div>
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no way! what about Winona Ryder?!
 

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no way! what about Winona Ryder?!</div>
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The tragic, bitter, former diva. I'm sorry, did I miss something?
 

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Natalie Portman is pregnant and engaged to the movies choreographer.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20101227/ent-natalie-portman-pregnant-101227/" target="_blank">http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainm...egnant-101227/</a>
 

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Natalie Portman is pregnant and engaged to the movies choreographer.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20101227/ent-natalie-portman-pregnant-101227/" target="_blank">http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainm...egnant-101227/</a></div>
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If I remember correctly, he's the one that the domineering lead man asked" "Would you *** this girl?". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> Apparently, he would/does/did.
 

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woah. that's a very weird future reference for the kid to have. "yeah, my parents met on the set of this dark, psychological thriller."<br>
my folks just met in high school.
 

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I've seen it 3x already, and want to see it again before it's off the big screen. This film moved me so deeply. I could feel that girl's insanity and desperation...Natalie played the character so well. The scene where she becomes the black swan gives me chills, it was so damn beautiful.
 

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woah. that's a very weird future reference for the kid to have. "yeah, my parents met on the set of this dark, psychological thriller."<br>
my folks just met in high school.</div>
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It could be worse, just ask Thora Birch. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Birch was born in Los Angeles, California, the eldest child of Jack Birch and Carol Connors. Her parents, who were her business managers from the start, are former adult film actors and both appeared in the pornographic film Deep Throat.</div>
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Wowzers. ****ing wowzers.</div>
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I think that's exactly what Harry Reems said. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/laugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lol:"> [/off topic}
 

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It could be worse, just ask Thora Birch. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></div>
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Damn! I can imagine the stories they've told her , "Well when I was your age...."
 

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I remember when she appeared topless in American Beauty at age 16. My pause button still has yet to recover.</div>
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Were you also 16? Otherwise, ew.
 
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