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Is there anyone from the Christian Vegetarian Association here?<br><a href="http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/default.htm" target="_blank">http://www.all-creatures.org/cva/default.htm</a><br>
I've come to know that the Bible supports vegetarianism but still most Christians believe that the Bible allows them to eat meat.<br>
There are some vegetarian quotes in the Bible like:<br><b>"But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man; "<br>
(Isaiah 66:3)</b><br>
Since I am Hindu, I was really shocked when I saw that people were eating meat in a party that was held at a Church. Similarly, if someone dares to eat meat in a Hindu temple, heaven knows what the people will do to him.
 

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The Bible says all sorts of things, but apparently after the flood God told Noah it was OK to eat meat. This issue has been interpreted in different ways, and in the middle ages people were killed as evil heretics for not eating meat.
 

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The Bible doesn't expressly require or forbid eating meat. Given how many thousands of other things the Christian Bible contradicts itself about, the fact that it doesn't have a consistent position on veg*nism shouldn't surprise anyone.<br><br>
If you're surprised that a church would serve meat, though, then you obviously don't know much about Christianity. It's definitely not known as a veg*n religion.<br><br>
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I think the Bible and vegetarianism are very compatible. I often cook lentils and then mix them with coriander, lemon juice, garlic and some soaked pages from the Bible to make a tasty stew.
 

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I think the Bible and vegetarianism are very compatible. I often cook lentils and then mix them with coriander, lemon juice, garlic and some soaked pages from the Bible to make a tasty stew.</div>
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that sounds luscious. I notice you don't add potatos though.
 

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I think the Bible and vegetarianism are very compatible. I often cook lentils and then mix them with coriander, lemon juice, garlic and some soaked pages from the Bible to make a tasty stew.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lick.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":lick:"> Sounds yummy!
 

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I think the Bible and vegetarianism are very compatible. I often cook lentils and then mix them with coriander, lemon juice, garlic and some soaked pages from the Bible to make a tasty stew.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/yes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":yes:"> Bible pages are high in fiber.<br><br>
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Jesus' brother was a vegetarian. Look it up in the book of Enoch. It implies lots of things about Jesus' family.</div>
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Are you getting the book of Enoch mixed up with one of the lost gospels Falcon?<br><br>
According to my copy of the book of Enoch it was all written in the years BC.
 

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<p>According to the Bible the original diet of mankind (and all animals) was vegan:<br><br><i>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. [..] Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.</i> Genesis 1:27, 29. (NIV)<br><br>
According to Genesis, man was not permitted to eat meat before after the flood, as long as the meat didn't come from carcasses and was drained of blood:<br><i>Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.</i> Genesis 9:3-4<br><br>
But apparently this still wasn't an ideal situation. In the story of the exodus we read that God gave the Israelites manna for 40 years, obviously a vegetarian article of food. But only twice did he give them meat. The first time it was in order to show them that he <i>could</i> if he wanted to... And the second time it apparently wasn't something God delighted in:<br><br>
"<i>The rabble with them began to crave other food, and again the Israelites started wailing and said, "If only we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost--also the cucumbers, melons, leeks, onions and garlic. But now we have lost our appetite; we never see anything but this manna!"<br>
[...] Moses heard the people of every family wailing, each at the entrance to his tent. The LORD became exceedingly angry, and Moses was troubled. [...] The LORD said to Moses "Tell the people: 'Consecrate yourselves in preparation for tomorrow, when you will eat meat. The LORD heard you when you wailed, "If only we had meat to eat! We were better off in Egypt!" Now the LORD will give you meat, and you will eat it. [...] You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, but for a whole month--<b>until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it</b>--"</i><br>
Numbers 11:4-6, 10, 18-20 (NIV)<br><br>
The Bible also promises that omnivorism will come to an end when the earth is made new again:<br><i>The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the LORD.</i> Isaiah 65:25 (NIV) That this also also applies to humans is evident from the fact that death itself will come to an end. <i>There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.</i>" Revelation 21:4 If there is no more death, there would naturally be no more killing of animals as well.</p>
 

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Jesus' brother was a vegetarian. Look it up in the book of Enoch. It implies lots of things about Jesus' family.</div>
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As Clueless Git observes, the book of Enoch probably was written before Jesus birth. It's not a biblical book, though it does speak about "the son of man". As far as I remember there are no things about vegetarianism in that book.<br><br>
However, <b>John the Baptist</b> is believed to have been a vegetarian. See: <a href="http://web.me.com/martinsimpson1/Various_Issues/Locusts_and_Honey.html" target="_blank">http://web.me.com/martinsimpson1/Var...and_Honey.html</a>
 

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Are you getting the book of Enoch mixed up with one of the lost gospels Falcon?<br><br>
According to my copy of the book of Enoch it was all written in the years BC.</div>
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You are correct, it's been a long while. What I was thinking about was the book of Enoch discussing the Essenes being vegetarian. The argument has been made that when Jesus went to the "wilderness" for 40 days he was with the Essene community, practicing one of their rights of passage. His message seems to mirror Essene thought and practice. The book of Enoch clearly says that Essenes would not eat animals.<br><br>
There was this guy named Eusebius that wrote about Jesus' brother being a vegetarian. Lots of early Christians were apparently vegetarians. I remember reading the argument that the post resurrection Christians went vegetarian as a way to work on their compassion and personal holiness, righteousness, etc.. I also read the argument that was made that Jesus' earthly parents were vegetarians and raised vegetarian kids, including Jesus himself. Not sure how defensible that argument is. Nevertheless, there it is. I personally don't do anything without some spiritual component. I'm a vegetarian for both health and spiritual reasons. Every time I don't eat meat it reminds me of where I'm heading and where I'm coming from. It allows me to do what I can to live and let live.<br><br>
Clement of Alexandria talked about the vegetarian Jews, prior to Jesus' birth.<br><br>
The point is that there is an ancient tradition linking righteous living with a vegetarian lifestyle. I once heard a multi part radio show from, I wanna say it was called, the Christian Jew Network or something like that. They spent about a week making the argument for the vegetarian lifestyle. They dealt with religion, health, biology, tradition, etc.. It was a very good program but, it was about 25 years ago.<br><br>
If you really want to live a pious lifestyle then considering a vegetarian lifestyle is a legitimate thing to do.
 

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I think the only religions that support vegetarianism are-<br>
1. Hinduism<br>
2. Buddhism<br>
3. Jainism<br>
4. Sikhism<br>
It is a strange that all the four religions started in India. Confucius was a vegetarian but I don't think he wrote it down in his teachings. So, maybe his followers are meat-eaters.
 

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I think the only religions that support vegetarianism are-<br>
1. Hinduism<br>
2. Buddhism<br>
3. Jainism<br>
4. Sikhism<br>
It is a strange that all the four religions started in India. Confucius was a vegetarian but I don't think he wrote it down in his teachings. So, maybe his followers are meat-eaters.</div>
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<br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism</a>
 

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I assume we're talking about the Cathars ... Yes, not eating meat was one of the charges made against them, but it was just one of many. I think the one that really cheesed off the papacy was denying both the divinity of Christ and the existence of the Trinity
 

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Some sects, yes, but not by any means all. Folks sometimes wonder why the Dalai Lama eats meat, even meat prepared for him specifically. His particular strain doesn't suggest he shouldn't. My understanding is Chinese Buddhism has a vegetarian tradition, and Japanese Buddhism did at one time, but outside those traditions it gets a bit murkier. No hostility to the idea, but not central dogma.
 

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I think the only religions that support vegetarianism are-<br>
1. Hinduism<br>
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It is a strange that all the four religions started in India. Confucius was a vegetarian but I don't think he wrote it down in his teachings. So, maybe his followers are meat-eaters.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">"Contrary to popular belief, India is not a predominantly vegetarian country. Brahmins of East India and Kashmir and the Saraswat Brahmins of the Southwest are allowed fish and some meat. Historically and currently, those Hindus who eat meat prescribe jhatka meat. This is a common method of slaughter when Bali Sacrifices are made to some Hindu deities, however, Vedic rituals such as Agnicayana involved the strangulation of sacrificial goats."</div>
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I don't think it is correct to say that some religions "support" vegetarianism, while others don't. As Dave points out, vegetarian beliefs as a part of religion is something that <i><b>some</b></i> sects in Buddhism (and Hinduism, even Christianity) adhere to, but not all.
 

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'Predominantly', no, of course not, but ~40% isn't exactly trivial, and I'd guess historically it's been higher. There seems to be some tension between vegetarians and non-vegetarians in India (or people of Indian descent). A dismissive take on legitimate Indian vegetarian traditions probably has as much to do with these tensions as anything.
 

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We promote a healthy diet, we Recognize that the original diet for man is a Vegetarian diet, consisting of fruits and nuts. Latter we got Vegetables just after the "curse" of sin; ye shall eat the herb of the field. You are the temple of the holy ghost, and as clean meat was in the temple sacrifices, God does not want us eating Scavengers or the unclean meats.<br><br>
Also after the flood there was a clear drop in life expectancy, some could be environmental conditions, but they also increased consumption of meat. Also about the supposed large numbers of Bible contradictions, many make a very superficial understanding of scriptures and a tendency to make hasty and subjective conclusions. The King James Bible is not confusion.... For example; the Book of Mormon is!<br><br>
But the biggest thing to remember is MODERATION, you can eat meat and be healthy, but there are many reasons for NOT consuming meats besides Biblical understanding, the handling, antibiotics, and disease risk that comes with meat.<br><br>
I also feel you should not eat something until you have visited the factory that makes it! One reason meat is so prevalent in todays society is there is a "disconnect" from what we see on the farms, and what we see in the restaurants.<br><br>
If our youth had the privilege to tour a Chicken processing facility, and see the REAL cost of eating meat, just that alone would be enough to some to cut out meat consumption.
 
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