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[From Indigo Magazine Newsletter Express, Spring Issue]<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.indigomagazine.com" target="_blank">www.indigomagazine.com</a><br><br><br><br><b>Best of African-American Web for 2002:</b><br><br><br><br>
Black Data Research, Inc. is proud to present the results of the "Best of African-American Web for 2002". After surveying over 1 million netizens on their favorite web sites, they have generated the following list of best African-American sites based on popularity, content, design, and navigation. Please forward this message to others who are in search of quality African-American programming on the web.<br><br><br><br>
Top 25 Sites:<br><br><br><br>
1. <a href="http://www.blackplanet.com" target="_blank">www.blackplanet.com</a><br><br>
2. <a href="http://www.bet.com" target="_blank">www.bet.com</a><br><br>
3. <a href="http://www.blackamericaweb.com" target="_blank">www.blackamericaweb.com</a><br><br>
4. <a href="http://www.eurweb.com" target="_blank">www.eurweb.com</a><br><br>
5. <a href="http://www.blackvoices.com" target="_blank">www.blackvoices.com</a><br><br>
6. <a href="http://www.africana.com" target="_blank">www.africana.com</a><br><br>
7. <a href="http://www.blackworld.com" target="_blank">www.blackworld.com</a><br><br>
8. <a href="http://www.blackenterprise.com" target="_blank">www.blackenterprise.com</a><br><br>
9. <a href="http://www.defjam.com" target="_blank">www.defjam.com</a><br><br>
10. <a href="http://www.tbwt.com" target="_blank">www.tbwt.com</a><br><br>
11. <a href="http://www.essence.com" target="_blank">www.essence.com</a><br><br>
12. <a href="http://www.everythingblack.com" target="_blank">www.everythingblack.com</a><br><br>
13. <a href="http://www.cityalert.com" target="_blank">www.cityalert.com</a><br><br>
14. <a href="http://www.gospelcity.com" target="_blank">www.gospelcity.com</a><br><br>
15. <a href="http://www.tomjoyner.com" target="_blank">www.tomjoyner.com</a><br><br>
16. <a href="http://www.ebony.com" target="_blank">www.ebony.com</a><br><br>
17. <a href="http://www.vibe.com" target="_blank">www.vibe.com</a><br><br>
18. <a href="http://www.hbcu-central.com" target="_blank">www.hbcu-central.com</a><br><br>
19. <a href="http://www.blacksingles.com" target="_blank">www.blacksingles.com</a><br><br>
20. <a href="http://www.dallasblack.com" target="_blank">www.dallasblack.com</a><br><br>
21. <a href="http://www.blackwebportal.com" target="_blank">www.blackwebportal.com</a><br><br>
22. <a href="http://www.socialstep.com" target="_blank">www.socialstep.com</a><br><br>
23. <a href="http://www.thesource.com" target="_blank">www.thesource.com</a><br><br>
24. <a href="http://www.blackfacts.com" target="_blank">www.blackfacts.com</a><br><br>
25. <a href="http://www.seanjohn.com" target="_blank">www.seanjohn.com</a><br><br><br><br>
Source: Black Data Research, Inc. 2003
 

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Maybe I should have posted this in the "News Items" forum, but I was hoping to get some comments and generate discussion.
 

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Well, Alpaca, there's a lot one can say about this, especially if you live in the US. You are from Australia, so maybe things are different there.<br><br><br><br>
Here in the U.S., we are very racially polarized (in my opinion).<br><br>
We were rudely awakened to this fact by the OJ Simpson case,<br><br>
where the black jurors in particular had a radically, even shockingly different view of the case, than did the white population.<br><br><br><br>
On the whole, black people often (not always, but often) have very different views on public events and so on than white people do. So I for one would like to be able to visit "black" websites to get some of this perspective, just as a matter of curiosity, if for nothing else.<br><br><br><br>
It seems that the internet is predominantly "white," or at least it is here in the US, even more so than the population or than other communications media (like TV or radio, etc).<br><br><br><br>
I had just come across this list--more or less by accident. I don't think it is all that well known or widely publicized.<br><br><br><br>
P.S. Yes, we do have Tame on this board, but his political views tend to be in the conservative/libertarian/Republican category, so how far his views reflect the thinking of most black people in the U.S., ... I'll let other people (i.e., other than myself) decide.
 

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I go to the BET website once in a while. I love the HollaGram you can make. They always have great music links of up and comings. Shine is a good feature also..it's interesting to look at the people and read their bio's if you have nothing else to do. I've learned to stay away from their chat boards though. I believe that some of their members that post on the boards tend to have very anti-white and racist views in my opinion. Overall though I believe it to be an O.K. site.
 

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Probably..what websites are considered 'white' though. As a side note, there are more than just African-American's that visit/belong to these sites as members. Sure, the majority are probably African-American, but I believe an underestimated number of Hispanic's, Anglo-Saxon's, etc. visit these sites and are members as well. I wonder if the folks running these sites are aware of this fact?<br><br><br><br>
There's a radio station here in Cleveland that used to say their call letter's and then directly after they would say 'serving Cleveland's Black community for over 20 years' or whatever. This is an adult urban station that plays music R & B mostly with some jazz thrown in (no rap). I listen occasionally at work because it's relaxing and non-offensive to my coworkers. Anyhow, I would find myself slightly offended by the distinction of their saying 'serving the black community'. I've listened to them on and off since they came to the air waves. I mean, if racial barriers are to be broken, why continue to make a distinction that you are for one racial group or the other. I don't get it.<br><br><br><br>
So, I wrote a letter to the general manager and explained my view points. He sent a letter and stated that he would take in to consideration that their listeners are now more diverse. I'm not sure how long afterwards it was that they stopped using that tag line, but they did stop. Who knows if my letter had anything to do with it. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that sometimes in an attempt to pay attention to groups that have historically been discriminated against, there also comes a point where you start to discriminate against other groups that are not of the original category. The best way to avoid this is to not make any distinction at all between races of people, in my opinion.
 

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I dunno. I'm not big on separatism as a rule, but it seems pretty common on the internet. Gays have sites, feminists have sites, veg*ns have sites, so I would expect that black folk would make their own places also.<br><br><br><br>
My big complaint on the message boards on most those sites is that trolls abound, and some seem to intentionally promote racial discord. I realize this happens most places, but I really, really hate to see "supposed" blacks posting hate against other races. Some of the stuff frequently posted on The Black World Today (twbt.com, currently down) was just ridiculous. It also seemed to attract "whites" bent on adding fuel to the fire. To a casual observer, it made racial strife out to be more prevelant than I believe it is.<br><br><br><br>
As far as Joe's question as to whether or not I represent the average black male...probably not. Of course, I don't think anyone does. We are a much more diverse group than politicians and the media gives us credit for...
 

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Actually, I believe that every race is more diverse than the public gives credit. I think the problem is with the way we process racism. Why is it that African-Americans refer to themselves as "black"? What are they doing when they refer to themselves as 'Black'? The only reason that 'Negroes' began to refer to themselves as 'Black' is because the white Europeans said they were black (which most Africans obviously are not). So when we identify an African American, for example, we identify them based on their skin color and not on their nationality. It's good enough in our society to say "That man is Black", not "That man is African American" or "That Man is from Nigeria". People forget that Africa is a continent containing lots of countries! Even saying you or someone else is from West Africa is too general. But saying someone is 'Black'? They could come from Cuba, Jamaica, Ethiopia, the Congo, South America, Egypt, Somalia, Botswana, etc. I'm not faulting African Americans abecause I understand how effective the colonization of the mind is. It bring about unity and empowerment of people. But in the academic literature, there is no doubt that people internalize racism and that everyone is both guilty for this and responsible to change their thinking in order to move forward. Even people of African, Carribean, etc. descent.
 

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That's the thing - I'm only partially African-American. I also have Native American and white (i.e. European American) ancestry (as do most "blacks".)<br><br><br><br>
"Black" to me is a description of a cultural sub-group with many layers.
 

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Exactly. We are all diverse. We are Americans (or whichever contry you are from). It's so very unfair for websites to target races. I understand targeting interests. But being 'black' doesn't imply that you like rap or hip hop, have corn rows, or any of those other ridiculous stereotypes. I've know 'black' people who are really into eastern religions and live in accordance with that lifestlye. We are all indiviuals and we should be treated as such. Unfortuantly, that's not the way of the world. The only was to change it is to change all our perspectives internally.
 

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But web sites target sexual preferences/lifestyles?<br><br>
What about Veggieboards? This isn't exactly an open community.<br><br><br><br>
From my experience on the various "black" web sites, there are all types of people. We do have some similarities, and some of our experiences will be in common because of our race.<br><br><br><br>
That is the same reason places like VB exists. So veg*ns, of all types, can interact in relation to their common trait.
 

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True. If I <i>have</i> to catagorize groups of people for whatever reason, I prefer to say African American (over black), Anglo American (over white), Flesh Eaters (over omni's, meat eaters, etc.), Homosexual (over gay or lesbian), and Heterosexual (over straight). I'd like to see one world where there isn't a distinction. We are all from one race, the human race. I understand that will never happen because there seems to be an unspoken need to be grouped with people of similar diversity's. To be with people of similar likes, dislikes, characteristics, ethniticity, etc. helps to give people a feeling of belonging; a feeling of community. Thus, distinct websites catering to specific groups materialize (such as VB or BET).
 

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I think it's wonderful for people with common interests to get together and share, like you said, experiences. But targeting a race reinforces the racism, looking out and looking from within. If the common goal was to abolish racism, then being part of a racist corporation or website would be counterproductive. Excluding the obvious racially motivated groups, they don't make 'white' websites. Because there are no discerning traits they could focus on. By this I mean, like I have said, a 'black' website targets musical preference and 'black' politics. Let me take a look at that term for a second... "Black Politics". That implies racism. There should be no 'black' or 'white' politics. It should be the politics for the people. Politicians who represent varying cultures. They shouldn't focus on rights for one type of individual or another. I have seen establishments that allow only women and it infuriates me. I guess you can say that I don't believe in the traditional stereotype of feminism (women being superior, like some radicals believe), but equality among people reguardless of sex, race, or money. What I'm trying to say is that I support places that encourage community and people joining together with common goals and purposes, but I think that they shouldn't be perpetuating the stereotypes of an culture.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by MsRuthieB</i><br><br><b>If I <i>have</i> to catagorize groups of people for whatever reason, I prefer to say African American (over black), Anglo American (over white), Flesh Eaters (over omni's, meat eaters, etc.), Homosexual (over gay or lesbian), and Heterosexual (over straight).</b></div>
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That's so clinical. It makes you sound like a sociology professor. Please don't call me an anglo-american homosexual. Gay is much prefered. Just a quick fwiw.
 

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I think of them as virtual clusters. Veggieboards is a virtual cluster. People with one particular thing in common congregate and we are diverse, but we have veg*nism in common. If I didn't have a veg forum to live on I probably wouldn't still be veg. I would feel too isolated. I see nothing wrong with these virtual clusters, and I don't think most of them are closed, we have omnis (and that is the term I use) here, just as other clusters have people who don't share that aspect. It fosters understanding and tolerance among us, anyway. Why does it have to different on "gay" sites, or "feminist" sites etc? I don't see it as being exclusionary, just as being a destination for people who may in RL be surrounded by people who don't share that characteristic (thus perhaps making the person feel alientated.) Broadcast media is slightly different...
 

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I wasn't sure if I should post here but somebody may find what I say interesting so I will post what I think.<br><br><br><br>
It bother me when I hear people use the word 'race'<br><br><br><br>
I think that as long as we talk about 'race' we will have racism. The whole ideology of racism is based on presenting a social construction (people of colour as a 'race') as a biological reality. The truth is that their is no biological foundation for grouping humans into races. This means that 'race is a social process that creates a necessary binary opposition.<br><br><br><br>
This binary is built upon a necessary relationship between the two groups. For example black only exists in the context of white and vice versa. The categories are also mutually exclusive and have an implied power structure. This means that as long as the idea of 'race' exists, one race will be privileged over another.<br><br><br><br>
Race is also based in an attempt to dehumanize people and legitimize structural inequalities. Without the ideology of racism, there is no reason why certain groups of people are forced into the lowest socioeconomic positions. This would shatter another ideology in our society. This is the idea that our society is a meritocracy.
 

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I just wanted to add that I don't have a problem with there being 'black' websites. People definately need them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
plus every other website is a 'white' website by default<br><br><br><br>
What bothers me though is if I see people further institutionalizing the ideology of racism by reifying (attempting to make or treating as real) the concept of 'race'.<br><br><br><br>
If the websites can do the former without doing the later, I don't have a problem
 
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