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What are your beliefs, how did you come to those beliefs, and why?<br><br>
I'm not sure what I am, label-wise; I thought I was an Agnostic Theist but I'm not sure exactly if I fit that label exactly.<br><br>
I Was baptized as a Catholic, but I think my mom is Christian, and her whole life she went to Christian schools and and a Christian university. My whole life until this year, though, I'd never been to church and no one in my family talked about religion. I'm not sure what religion my dad is, but he never prayed or went to church or anything with us, either. As a child I always wanted to go to church, and I began to pray on my own before meals when I was about 8, but when my mom found out one day she yelled at me and said that our family prays in our heart, not visually or out loud or anything. Between then and now, I began to wonder if and how God was real. I remember feeling scared and ashamed for thinking that then. I didn't know anyone ever thought that or could think that, so I never really acknowledged these thoughts and pushed them away then.<br><br>
Last year I heard the term Agnostic for the first time, and I asked my mom what that was. I knew by now what Atheism was, but I still hadn't revisited the thoughts I had as a younger child. My mom said, "It's like what I am. I believe in God but I don't believe in organized religion, and I don't know for sure if God exists". It really seemed to make sense with how I was raised when I heard it.<br><br>
This year my mom got remarried and her husband says grace with her before they eat, even though that was something my mom never let me do as a child. More recently, she's began making my siblings and I all go to church with them, even though she raised us to not believe in many of the things they tell us, and many of the things they say at church that we used to laugh at before, she suddenly says she agrees with. For example, they were saying something anti-gay last time I went, and she was nodding and everything, but then when her husband was away I was talkin to her and she said she couldn't believe the hatred and intolerance. I didn't want to go to church because I didn't believe it was right to pretend or lie to myself and others about my actual beliefs, but this happened when I became vegan and my mom got me to go because she said if not we wouldn't go to the store after and I wouldn't have food I could eat. Now I have enough food and recipes stocked up where if they don't go to the store on Saturday then I don't have to come to church just to eat that week, so I don't go anymore. Seeing into the Christian religion makes me more sure of not believing in that religion or organized religion.<br><br>
So for my actual beliefs, I don't really believe in a single god. I think God is something created by humans because humans love power, and they love the idea of someone having total power as a sort of ruler and creator, just by the nature of humans in general. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I guess the short way is I believe Gos was created, imagined, and originated as a symbol of total power over all. I believe that multiple gods may exist, working together to balance the earth, or at least they existed in the beginning to create it, divided into different aspects of the universe and our earth, different aspects of nature and such, but I don't claim to know it's true, it's more of a theory of mine that if higher powers exist I believe that's what they're more like than God. I kind of think logically, too, though and I wonder how higher powers can exist, but I do think I still want to slightly believe they exist as I imagine them. I do believe in the afterlife, and a sort of heaven and hell. I guess I just think hell is us having to live with any extraordinarily bad things we did in our life (murder, abuse, etc. when we know it's wrong), and heaven is when we can move on and exist in peace if/when we realize all the bad things we did were wrong and we learned from them, either in our life or after we die. I think I partly believe where we go is decided in our fate and also decided by us and our feelings, emotions, and actions. I believe in ghosts, probably more strongly than any other aspect of afterlife, because I have seen a ghost before and I remember it vividly. When I was two, I woke up in the middle of the night to see a man standing in my doorway. I talked to him, and then the next morning I told my parents what I'd seen. I said he was tall and kind of looked like my dad, and they asked if it was my uncle and went through all the family members, showing me pictures, and I said no, then they showed me a picture of my grandfather(he died long before I was born and I'd never seen a picture before), and I recognized him right away. So because of my different levels of beliefs on different subjects I'm not sure what to call myself. Would that even be agnostic theism? I thought it may be more of atheism because I don't truly believe in a god at all, but then I heard they don't believe in the afterlife or anything.<br><br>
Also, what are your beliefs and why, especially if youre agnostic or atheist? Sorry if this doesn't belong here, I couldn't find an appropriate section.
 

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I'm guessing 12 posts before it's moved to the heap.<br><br><br><br>
On topic: Atheist....pretty self explanatory.
 

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I'm guessing 12 posts before it's moved to the heap.<br><br><br><br>
On topic: Atheist....pretty self explanatory.</div>
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Sorry, I just saw took a look into that section right now and I realize it probably would be better there. I'm still new here so just by the descriptions of each board I thought this was the best since it said off-topic discussions
 

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I don't know what I am. I want to research a lot more before I actually label myself as something. Because If I'm going to follow something I want to follow it whole-heartedly.<br><br>
But my beliefs are simple. ish. I think every religion has truth and they have flaws. Its a matter of picking out the truths then forming your own belief.<br><br>
I think since we are energy, and energy can be neither created or destroyed, reincarnation would make sense. Our energy simply goes into something else. Another life. I believe how we act in this life will impact on what we become in the next.<br><br>
I'm a firm believer in Karma.<br>
I think there are multiple gods and goddesses. All play an important role in this earth, so instead of worshipping them individually, I worship the earth. Because thats what they all have in common.<br><br>
I think I may be leaving out some parts, but I'm tired so forgive me.<br><br>
But yeah, I don't know what I am. My view points will change as time goes on and I learn more. But thats what life is about, right? Figuring out the purpose.
 

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I don't know what I am. I want to research a lot more before I actually label myself as something. Because If I'm going to follow something I want to follow it whole-heartedly.<br><br>
But my beliefs are simple. ish. I think every religion has truth and they have flaws. Its a matter of picking out the truths then forming your own belief.<br><br>
I think since we are energy, and energy can be neither created or destroyed, reincarnation would make sense. Our energy simply goes into something else. Another life. I believe how we act in this life will impact on what we become in the next.<br><br>
I'm a firm believer in Karma.<br>
I think there are multiple gods and goddesses. All play an important role in this earth, so instead of worshipping them individually, I worship the earth. Because thats what they all have in common.<br><br>
I think I may be leaving out some parts, but I'm tired so forgive me.<br><br>
But yeah, I don't know what I am. My view points will change as time goes on and I learn more. But thats what life is about, right? Figuring out the purpose.</div>
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That really makes sense. My view points change and evolve as time goes on, too, as I learn and experience more.
 

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Agnosticism is more of a philosophy, a way of looking at things. To put it simply, an agnostic is comfortable saying "I don't know" rather than taking an arbitrary stance on any given issue just for the sake of picking a side or being part of a group, or in the case of religion, maybe even out of fear.<br><br>
Watch this video. Forget that it's about aliens and listen to what Neil Tyson says about the concept of argument from ignorance. I think his way of viewing this is a perfect example of how someone practicing agnosticism should view any issue, including but not limited to God and religion.<br><br><a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k</a>
 

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I grew up in the stereotypical Bible Belt town. There are seven Baptist churches on main street. It's not much of an exaggeration to say that pretty much every one of them looks down on the others and believes they're all going to hell. It's one of THOSE towns.<br><br>
I always had to be the difficult one..the one that made sarcastic remarks and got in trouble for correcting the teachers' grammar. Yeah, I was that kid. So naturally I had to be different. Nobody in my family is really traditionally religious or has been for some generations. I guess my great grandparents were sort of like deists, and my regular grandparents are like vaguely agnostic deists. My mom was a Wiccan or something but she's leaning more towards atheism now.<br><br>
As for my part I am a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism" target="_blank">Secular Humanist.</a><br><br><br>
I have signed an oath and pledge to uphold the following values, and I take that oath damn seriously as any religious person would:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">The fundamentals of modern Humanism are as follows:<br><ul><li>Humanism is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical" target="_blank">ethical</a>.</li>
<li>Humanism is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality" target="_blank">rational</a>.</li>
<li>Humanism supports <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy" target="_blank">democracy</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights" target="_blank">human rights</a>.</li>
<li>Humanism insists that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_liberty" target="_blank">personal liberty</a> must be combined with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_responsibility" target="_blank">social responsibility</a>.</li>
<li>Humanism is a response to the widespread demand for an alternative to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma" target="_blank">dogmatic</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion" target="_blank">religion</a>.</li>
<li>Humanism values artistic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity" target="_blank">creativity</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination" target="_blank">imagination</a> and recognizes the transforming power of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art" target="_blank">art</a>.</li>
<li>Humanism is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestance" target="_blank">lifestance</a> aiming at the maximum possible fulfillment through the cultivation of ethical and creative living.</li>
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The Amsterdam Declaration explicitly states that Humanism rejects <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma" target="_blank">dogma</a>, and imposes no creed upon its adherents.</div>
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There you have it. I could easily and accurately describe myself as an atheist, skeptic or other form of religious non believer and that would be literally true, but those types of people could easily be nihilists or something. Secular Humanist is a label that is firmly about what I do believe at an ethical, social and political level. I am a proud Secular Humanist and will stand up for Secular Humanist principles.<br><br>
As for the why, I choose Secular Humanism because while I reject the idea there's an absolute, divine source of human morality, I feel like humans can and should define our morality and base it around empathy and the capacity for self improvement. Just because I don't believe in a God or a heaven or hell doesn't mean I'm a mortal relativist or that I don't have any ethics or virtues. Far from it. In the absence of such things I feel we should simply do good things because it's the right thing to do. We should promote kindness and pleasure in the world and reduce suffering and ignorance whenever they raise their ugly heads, because if it were us who were suffering we'd wish someone would do the same. Sometimes morality really is that simple and that beautiful. You don't need an ancient book or an infallible authority to do good. In fact for many people those things become a convenient blanket for bigotry and complacency, both mental and ethical. Humanists are good for goodness' own sake. We believe in <a href="http://www.considerhumanism.org/" target="_blank">reasons, not rules</a>. That's what makes us strong. So help me GOOD.
 

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I could easily and accurately describe myself as an atheist, skeptic or other form of religious non believer and that would be literally true, but those types of people could easily be nihilists or something. Secular Humanist is a label that is firmly about what I do believe at an ethical, social and political level. I am a proud Secular Humanist and will stand up for Secular Humanist principles.</div>
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Same here. Secular Humanist but I also identify as an atheist. My dad was Christian - now Catholic, mother was agnostic and my grandfather was atheist. My brother and I were forced to go to church for a few years as kids but we both identified more with our grandfather's atheism.
 

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Agnostic here i guess, though now that i see secular humanist i might be that, but really i'd just say i'm nothing, i don't belong to labels in any part of life really, i don't believe, but am not anti belief, i am however anti hate and bigotry where people use beliefs as a weapon to hurt others. Just like politics, i am in all different categories, and people think certain things when they hear a label, and i don't want to be thought of like that, although i am pretty liberal on personal issues.<br><br>
Anyway my dad is an atheist he's sure nothing exists and when you die you are gone. My mom is a Christian who recently started practicing, she believes some of the things that make absolutely no sense and contradict themselves, but i don't bug her about it, unless she tries to insult my unbelief or tries to convert me, then all bets are off and i will hit back lol. I wasn't raised anything, and i don't know if i was told when i was young that there was nothing, i actually remember going to church a few times with friends and other family, but always felt out of place.<br><br>
I've decided no religion makes any sense to me, but there could be something else out there. One of my thoughts is that i can't contemplate life just being over when you die, if there only is life, why would we all just leave it, then there's no point, and i figure there has to be a point, my dad believes there just is no point, that it just so happened that we're all here. But then i also can't contemplate anything beyond life, so my thoughts kind of contradict each other too.<br><br>
I don't think i believe anything, but I think if there ends up being something else, where i will be judged, i will be okay because i'm not a bad person in my heart. One thing that i might believe to make up for all of this contradiction in my thoughts, is reincarnation, not that you spend an eternity somewhere after death, but that you are continually recycled forever, who knows, but those are my confusing thoughts : ).
 

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What are your beliefs, how did you come to those beliefs, and why?<br><br><br>
Also, what are your beliefs and why, especially if your agnostic or atheist? Sorry if this doesn't belong here, I couldn't find an appropriate section.</div>
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I'm an Atheist. I've been one since I was five years old. It just seemed obvious to me. If Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are magical beings,, and magic isn't real, how could they exist. Same with god. Since magic isn't real (water walking, raising the dead, parting seas, etc), than how could god be real.<br><br>
Later in life, I found out there is not evidence too support the existence in a divine entity. That Theist simply rely on faith, not facts.
 

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. I didn't want to go to church because I didn't believe it was right to pretend or lie to myself and others about my actual beliefs, but this happened when I became vegan and my mom got me to go because she said if not we wouldn't go to the store after and I wouldn't have food I could eat. Now I have enough food and recipes stocked up where if they don't go to the store on Saturday then <i><b>I don't have to come to church just to eat that week</b></i>, so I don't go anymore.</div>
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HOLY CRAP! This is horrible. Your mom is willing to let you starve if you refuse to go to church??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I'm a Matlockist.<br><br><br><br>
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I don't have one firm cohesive philosophy with a neat, little label. I know enough to know I don't know enough.<br><br>
I'm an atheist but I think of nature as my church. The peace, understanding, connection that I feel during a hike are as close to "god" as I can get.<a href="http:" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk</a>
 

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I was raised Christian and considered myself one for many years, but now I'm a deist.
 

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Also, what are your beliefs and why, especially if youre agnostic or atheist? Sorry if this doesn't belong here, I couldn't find an appropriate section.</div>
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I don't really like labels, but I would probably consider myself an agnostic atheist if I had to 'choose' a label with regards to my religious beliefs, although I'm not even sure if the concept of a deity has any meaning, so then maybe not. I like at least some of the ideas behind secular humanism.<br><br>
I try to hold my positions as probabilities with evidence modifying those probabilities.
 

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I grew up in the general christian mythos of America, with little waverings towards certain doctrines/protestant denominations through my teens and early twenties (Emergent, Calvinist, Wesleyan, Charismatic). In my mid twenties, I started to look at various arguments about god from various perspectives (Calvin v Armenius; Adult/Child baptism; creation/evolution; biblical inerrancy; etc).<br><br>
After this, and for a year or so, I identified as an agnostic theist, and inwardly I was leaning more and more toward atheism.<br><br>
Also during this time I began to encounter Eastern Orthodoxy: a small parish of mostly converts, which had been removed from a lot of the nationalism prevalent in Greek and Russian churches. It was here that I began to learn more about Christian history, the zen-like hesychasm of orthodox monks, and read some of the most beautiful writings on love I've ever come across.<br><br>
In this dialectic of belief and unbelief, about a year after I had burned my first bible in protest/mocking/anger, I came to a place where I believed there to be three valid options: Universal Unitarianism (there might be a god, but there is no way to understand who or what it is); Atheism (there is no god, or there is no way to even know if there is a god or not); or Eastern Orthodoxy (there is a god who is knowable and who revealed himself at a certain point in time through the incarnation of Jesus Christ). I wasn't sure at that time which I would eventually identify with, but I knew it had to be one of those three. I would never be satisfied with any other blend of Christian thought - I knew that for sure. The councils of the early church were the deciding factors of the books of the bible and doctrines which provided understanding to the nature of Christ - if they could not be trusted (and Eastern Orthodoxy theology as a whole) then no Christian tradition could.<br><br>
I slowly began to lean more toward Eastern Orthodoxy, and after three years of attending that local parish on and off, I officially converted and was chrismated (annointed with oil) as an official member to the orthodox faith. I full believe that if I didn't encounter that parish when I did I would be an atheist today. And my beliefs tend to align with many of the atheists I know more than many of the Christians, except for one or two biggies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> But I believe in evolution and the big bang, I don't like the idea of substitutionary atonement, I accept that there are fallacies in the bible, etc.<br><br><br>
I still doubt from time to time, but as Fyodor Dostoevsky says, "It is not as a child that I profess Christ. My hosanna is born in a furnace of doubt."
 

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I'm an Atheist. I've been one since I was five years old. It just seemed obvious to me. If Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are magical beings,, and magic isn't real, how could they exist. Same with god. Since magic isn't real (water walking, raising the dead, parting seas, etc), than how could god be real.<br><br>
Later in life, I found out there is not evidence too support the existence in a divine entity. That Theist simply rely on faith, not facts.</div>
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I can really understand the whole thing with Santa and the Easter bunny and everything. It was when someone first told me that stuff didnt exist that I began to question how I can be sure or believe God exists.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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HOLY CRAP! This is horrible. Your mom is willing to let you starve if you refuse to go to church??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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I'm not sure if she actually thought I'd starve, I think she just thought that if I didn't have any vegan food to eat I would give in and eat meat like she wanted me, too. I also think she assumed if I went to church I'd suddenly drop my beliefs and believe in God and everything again, when in reality it made me more sure of my beliefs and i actually began to lean more towards atheism where before I still believed in god, just not organized religion.
 

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You're right, this should be the correct place. I've just been around long enough to know there are a few people on here that will eventually turn this into a heated argument. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I'm christian, but I seem to get tons of crap for it, even when I hardly even talk about it.<br>
All I ask is that people respect my beliefs.
 

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I used the quotes from Neil DeGrasse Tyson in this video in my undergrad senior honor's thesis. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 
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