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Beegan = someone who would be vegan except for the consumption of honey (or other insect products).<br><br>
Does this definition apply to you? <span style="color:#800080;">If so, then run far, far away.</span><br><br><span style="color:#800080;">Wait, you're still here. Ok! Proceed with caution.<br><br></span> Silly made up word, yes, but the definition does fit me. I don't use the word in real life, but I'm curious how many other VBers also fall under this definition. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><i><br>
PS- If you want to read about what vegans think about honey, I'll refer you here:</i> <i><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?93127-Honey-superthread-discuss-non-vegan-ness-of-honey-here" target="_blank">Honey superthread</a>.</i> <i>If you want to debate whether or not honey should be eaten or whether insects have feelings, please start a new thread elsewhere, <span style="color:#800080;">or, you know, just post right here. Whatever you want.</span><br></i>
 

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No. It doesn't apply to me.
 

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No. I consume honey (but only from my bees), but I also consume eggs (but only from my chickens). So I need my own thread.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mlp</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843242"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
So I need my own thread.</div>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>mlp</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843242"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
No. I consume honey (but only from my bees), but I also consume eggs (but only from my chickens). So I need my own thread.</div>
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Oh, come on, think big! Thread? Pshaw! Forum! Community! World!
 

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Why is honey so important that it's the only thing keeping you from veganism?<br><br>
Or why can't you just call yourself a "strict vegetarian"?<br><br>
I don't get it.
 

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why does it matter so much for everyone what they call themselves<br><br>
not yet, but when i finally cut out all the eggs and dairy i will be a beegan <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SeitanWorship</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843257"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Why is honey so important that it's the only thing keeping you from veganism?<br><br>
Or why can't you just call yourself a "strict vegetarian"?<br><br>
I don't get it.</div>
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I don't believe insects can think and feel, and that's why I don't eliminate honey. I don't like to eliminate foods without a good reason for eliminating them, and honey is in some foods I like to eat like granola, granola bars, and breads. I don't really eat all that much honey. Like I said, if you want to debate whether or not honey should be eaten, please see the honey superthread. I have posted my views there too.<br><br>
Some definitions of "strict vegetarian" exclude honey, for example <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism" target="_blank">on wikipedia</a>. But, like I said, I don't use the term "beegan" at all in real life. I just say "I'm a vegetarian and I don't eat dairy or eggs" when people ask me what I can eat. People in my locale don't generally know what a vegan is anyway.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>RunnerVeggie</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843224"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><i>PS- If you want to debate whether or not honey is vegan, or whether or not it should be consumed, I'll refer you to this thread: <a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/showthread.php?93127-Honey-superthread-discuss-non-vegan-ness-of-honey-here" target="_blank">Honey superthread</a></i></div>
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No, please don't. That thread is in the Vegan Support forum, and arguing about honey with vegans is not supportive. I am getting sick of it. If that thread looks like debate on honey consumption is welcome, it's either because posts have not been reported, or the reports are being ignored. It is also a composite of dozens of separate threads, so that may explain its content. As it stands now, I still think it should be moved to the Compost Heap, because it makes it look like vegans welcome challenges to their views on honey, and we do not. That is our place to be free of that kind of attack.<br><br>
If you want to debate honey, and the feelings of bees, make a thread in the Compost Heap please.<br><br>
Ok, beegans carry on.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>vincent</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843331"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Why don't you take on a swarm of bees and let<br>
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A swarm of bees doesn't necessarily consist of angry bees. I have stood in the midst of tens of thousands of bees quite a number of times without being stung even once. Bees react to fear. That, more than anything, will cause them to sting.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SomebodyElse</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843357"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
No, please don't. That thread is in the Vegan Support forum, and arguing about honey with vegans is not supportive. I am getting sick of it. If that thread looks like debate on honey consumption is welcome, it's either because posts have not been reported, or the reports are being ignored. If you want to debate honey, and the feelings of bees, make a thread in the Compost Heap please.<br><br>
Ok, beegans carry on.</div>
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Ok, I'll correct my first post. And I guess I shouldn't have been posting in that thread either.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Ira</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2843337"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
bees speak a different language.</div>
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Well it's more dancing than speaking <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NtegAOQpSs&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nteg...eature=related</a>
 

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I don't believe insects can think</div>
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It would be better to do research rather than relying on your "beliefs." Peoples' unfounded beliefs about animals account for a large part of why they're treated so abysmally. You can find plenty of people who think pigs don't think either.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Bees can think say scientists<br><br>
* Tim Radford, science editor<br>
* The Guardian, Thursday 19 April 2001 18.00 BST<br><br>
Bees use their reasoning powers to get to the nectar, according to an international team of scientists.<br><br>
In tests, the bees learned which signs led the way to something sweet and which did not, the researchers report in Nature today.<br><br>
This discovery will have set the world of animal behaviour abuzz. Vertebrates - and especially primates - were thought to be the only creatures that could hold in their heads the concepts of "the same" and "different". Now the team from France, Germany and Australia say their research shows "that higher cognitive functions are not a privilege of vertebrates."<br><br>
Bees are the cooperative go-getters of the insect world. The workers wake up, set off, search, find a source of honey, return, tell their colleagues where the best supplies are, then find their way back. Researchers have watched, noted and experimented for years to discover how bees navigate and communicate.<br><br>
Martin Giurfa of the Free University in Berlin, and colleagues from Narbonne and Canberra, noted from earlier studies that bees can "interpolate visual information, exhibit associative recall, categorise visual information and learn contextual information" - do what in a human would be evidence of thinking. So they set the bees a test.<br><br>
They trained the honeybees Apis mellifera to recognise particular colours and grating patterns, using a Y-shaped maze. In one trial, the bees saw either blue or yellow as they approached the entrance to the maze. When they got to the Y junction, they saw that one turning was labelled blue, the other yellow. They quickly learned that the sucrose reward was to be found down the turning that had the same colour code as at the entrance.<br><br>
In further experiments they found that the bees could perform the same mental gymnastics with similar and different grating patterns. And when colours were swapped for odours - lemon and mango - they saw the same outcome. The bees could tell sameness from oddity in the abstract. They could think.</div>
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<br><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/apr/19/highereducation.biologicalscience" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/ap...logicalscience</a>
 

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No, please don't. That thread is in the Vegan Support forum, and arguing about honey with vegans is not supportive. I am getting sick of it. If that thread looks like debate on honey consumption is welcome, it's either because posts have not been reported, or the reports are being ignored. It is also a composite of dozens of separate threads, so that may explain its content. As it stands now, I still think it should be moved to the Compost Heap, because it makes it look like vegans welcome challenges to their views on honey, and we do not. That is our place to be free of that kind of attack.<br><br>
If you want to debate honey, and the feelings of bees, make a thread in the Compost Heap please.<br><br>
Ok, beegans carry on.</div>
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i think the thread is called "discuss the (non) veganness of honey here". thats why people think that they are welcome to discuss it on there, lol
 

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No, please don't. That thread is in the Vegan Support forum, and arguing about honey with vegans is not supportive. I am getting sick of it. If that thread looks like debate on honey consumption is welcome, it's either because posts have not been reported, or the reports are being ignored. It is also a composite of dozens of separate threads, so that may explain its content. As it stands now, I still think it should be moved to the Compost Heap, because it makes it look like vegans welcome challenges to their views on honey, and we do not. That is our place to be free of that kind of attack.<br><br>
If you want to debate honey, and the feelings of bees, make a thread in the Compost Heap please.<br><br>
Ok, beegans carry on.</div>
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I sooo agree. I think that 99 percent of those posting in the vegan forum agree that honey is not vegan, so it does seem kind of weird that that thread is located there.<br><br>
I respect the beliefs of "beegans," and respectfully disagree. Like SomebodyElse said, carry on.
 

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i think the thread is called "discuss the (non) veganness of honey here". thats why people think that they are welcome to discuss it on there, lol</div>
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Yeah, that was a very poor choice of title, on the part of the mod who merged all the honey threads into that one super mega thread.
 

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It would be better to do research rather than relying on your "beliefs." Peoples' unfounded beliefs about animals account for a large part of why they're treated so abysmally. You can find plenty of people who think pigs don't think either.</div>
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I'm not saying insects aren't capable of some learning and completing relatively complex tasks. I haven't read that particular study, but I'll check it out. I have read enough to know that the general consensus in the scientific community is that insects aren't capable of consciousness. The brains of pigs, cows, fish, chickens and other "livestock" animals are quite similar to ours, but the brains of insects are vastly different--not just smaller, but much more simple in structure.
 
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