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Hi Everyone<br><br>
I need some honest opinions. I have become vegetarian and loving it, my life has change in many ways but all positive.<br><br>
I really want to move towards becoming vegan but there is a part of me that is scared since I had orthorexia back in the day and this could trigger this again.<br><br>
In a sense I want to stay vegetarian cause I am helping animals but still keeping myself safe the other part wants to take it a step further.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":huh:">
 

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Wow, this must be really difficult. I suppose just remind yourself each day why you choose to be veg*n. It's something I consider regularly, and usually come up wit the same answers. If you find that you're doing it for yourself rather than for animals/environment/food security then you can keep yourself in check. Perhaps. I have no idea.
 

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You could be relaxed about it and do it over a period of time. Slowly learn about substitutes, different ways of cooking...
 

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Only you can make the decision whether to become vegan. I would say don't rush it, you can always have a slow transition, get a feel for things, and see how it goes.
 

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I have yet to understand how orthorexia is a problem, I really don't see how trying to have the healthiest eating habits as possible is a problem, but anyway, I agree with the previous comments, if you think it is a concern and becoming vegan could trigger it again, transitionning slowly seems to me to be the most sensible way to do it. Without putting any pressure on yourself, at your own pace.
 

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The thing with orthorexia is that in this case you become completely obsessed with healthy eating, to a point where it's not healthy anymore. It's something that your whole life would revolve around, practically the only thing you woul care or think about. The important feature of orthorexia is that what a person persieves as healthy isn't always truly healthy. Somewould eat only vegan, some only low-carb, some organiс, or raw or low-sodium or a combination of the above. Some would only eat carrots and wheat sprouts, because it is what they think is the healthiest diet. Even if a person does really eat healthy as a result of this condition it still wouldn't be healthy in the end, because, like I said, it is an all-absorbing obsession, that can destroy your life. It can prevent you from sleeping at night because you ate an apple that wasn't organic, or refuse to eat anything that you didn't buy and cook yourself because you need to be absolutely sure about each and every ingredient. And it somebody told you that you ate soemthing that wasn't "pure" you might become phisically sick, just from one thought. Don't forget that orthorexia often goes hand in hand or leads to other eating disorders.<br><br>
I think, this guy sums it all up pretty well:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn9oiiGzAG8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn9oiiGzAG8</a>
 

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Hi Longstocking... thanks for that description of orthorexia... that was me... at one stage I was living on rye crackers and all bran flakes (dry) and lettuce cause what I thought was healthy wasnt really I just started cutting out things and at the end freaked out about almost most foods I put in my mouth. It totally destroys your life cause the obsession takes over. I ate the same few things days in and out cause I know it was "healthy".<br><br>
It was also just the gateway for anorexia.<br><br>
I just dont want to go down that road again.
 

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Thanks for the explanations!<br>
So, yes, definitely, kasandra, if you go vegan slowly, if you eliminate little by little dairy and eggs, that could help you avoid going down that road again.<br>
Also, I don't know your reasons for being vegetarian and wanting to become vegan, but if it's for animals, then if, as goldman_dancing suggested, you reminded yourself why you do it, it could help.<br>
I mean, perhaps if, when you buy/eat food, you remind yourself that thanks to you animals aren't exploited instead of thinking it's good for your health, if you focus on animals not on health, i suppose you won't trigger orthorexia again. Because the fact that you would eat soya steack with rice and veggies has the exact same impact on animal as just rye crackers : you don't exploit and kill any! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Nothing new to contribute, but I wanted to support the "take it slow" strategy. If you feel yourself getting anxious about it down the line, maybe you could switch back to vegetarianism, knowing that you tried and it just didn't work for you. You've got to take care of yourself <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Thank you everyone. I will take it very very slow. At the moment just stick to vegetarianism till I am relaxed and it just becomes a lifestyle. Slowly make some changes which I feel comfortable with.<br><br>
The reason for me being a vegetarian is cause I love animals. The other reason however is because I have high cholestrol from my mom's side of the family and actually should be on cholestrol tablets but trying to lower it with a vegetarian lifestyle. Going for check up on tomorrow and really interested to see what the results would be.<br><br>
I should just keep on focusing on the loving animals part and not the healthy trying to control cholestrol part.<br><br>
Sorry guys I know I am babbling a bit here but ONE thing is for sure I love being a vegetarian. I feel more grounded and connected to my enviroment and myself. I want to have the same respect for myself as I will have for animals/enviroment.<br><br>
I love this forum.. You guys and the support as been very welcomed.
 

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I have no advice for you, but I can understand where you are coming from. I am a longtime vegetarian, and a recovered bulimic. A big trigger for me is feeling like I am dieting, or like I am depriving myself, and after two weeks last night I started to feel too much like I was dieting, and I ended up binging and eating some cheese (which I ended up not even enjoying or liking-most of my old trigger foods are foods that I don't even like/want to eat, and it's more of a compulsion to eat them than anything else).<br><br>
I do want to transition to a vegan diet, but I can relate to the fear that a more restrictive diet will trigger an ED. Good luck!
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>kasandra</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2877862"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Thank you everyone. I will take it very very slow. At the moment just stick to vegetarianism till I am relaxed and it just becomes a lifestyle.</div>
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I'm sure that if it becomes an integral part of you, your lifestyle, like eating meat once was, there won't be much problem anymore (as long as you have a balanced and varied diet, of course ^^).<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">The other reason however is because I have high cholestrol from my mom's side of the family and actually should be on cholestrol tablets but trying to lower it with a vegetarian lifestyle. Going for check up on tomorrow and really interested to see what the results would be.</div>
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Tell us your results!<br>
When I became vegetarian, and although I wasn't living with my parents, my mum started to reduce her meat intake. As she cooked, my father reduced his meat intake as well (either that or he would have starved <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">). He has always had cholesterol, just like his own mother, but since he just reduced his meat intake, he barely has any! And my mum's blood pressure has dramatically decreased as well.<br>
And they are just reducing meat, they are not even vegetarians eating varied healthy food! So I'm sure vegetarianism will help you keep your cholesterol in control, without you even realising it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
And I bet I'm not the only one having stories about cholesterol reduction with just a change of diet!
 

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I agree with the other postings, take it slow. Educate yourself on how to read labels and what to look for, add substitutions (nutritonal yeast for cheese if your lacto-veg, etc), and most importantly I think (especially with your history of orthorexia) is MIX IT UP! Variety is very important as both a veggie and vegan I think. There are TONS of threads regarding this, and everyone here is encouraging and will give you great advice! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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When I decided to go vegetarian, I wasn't intending on going vegan, although I haven't had much dairy as I'm lactose intolerant anyway, and I was never that fond of eggs, so after finding out about how animals in those industries are really treated I thought why not? And don't worry, you will still be left with plenty of variety, and the nice thing about being vegan is it has freed me from having to watch too closely what I eat. Ok, granted I try to keep sugars and other unrefined carbs such as pastas to a minimum, but also only animal products have saturated fats in them. If all of your fats are unsaturated, then those are the good fats your body needs anyway. And yes, that even includes yummy vegan baked goodies!
 

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I had pretty severe orthorexia for a while there. (I've had basically every eating disorder known to man, because I'm terribly, terribly cool... *sigh*)<br><br>
My obsessions ran around "clean" food and "clean" drinks. It got to the point where I was only eating a few types of organic produce, meats, and grains. I was terrified of oranges, most nuts, and would ONLY drink room temperature distilled water. I didn't realize it was the huge problem it was until I found myself with my head in the toilet, puking up water because I had accidentally ingested purified water instead of distilled. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/"><br><br>
In any case... I'm a vegan now. It's a compassionate choice, though, not a "clean" choice. I eat plenty of foods I would have considered unhealthy or unclean back in the day. So like you said, if you focus on the compassion instead of the "healthy" bit, I think you will be fine! I went from omnivore to vegan overnight (actually, over the course of watching Earthlings), and I never had any flare-ups of the orthorexic tendencies. (Anorexic and bulimic are another story, but hey, you can't win 'em all). It's about the animals, not about me.
 

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Spot One Semicharmed. I know the feeling you described. Its true what you say I eat more things I would have considered unhealthy back in the days now then in the past. I make and try my best to eat variaty of foods even drink *not so nice* soya shakes to up my energy and calories so I guess its just a fear within me to lose control again.<br><br>
That is the other thing its not about control its just a lifestyle. I guess I am just scared of going to that place again.<br><br>
Since becoming vegetarian I just lost 3 kg without trying in a healthy way not hurting my body but I dont want this to become an obsession again.<br><br>
maybe what is freaking me out is that for ones in my life i dont obsess about food and everything is just falling into place in a normal way?<br><br>
maybe I should just relax and not put so much pressure on myself.
 

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Weight loss is normal. I lost 8 lbs (so about 3.5 kilos) without even trying in my first 2 weeks without animal products, its your body detoxing, so something to be glad about and not alarmed about. I'm guessing it's perfectly normal, but others might have something else to say about this.
 

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I do think its just normal as I didn't obsess or do anything like exercise or diet etc, just cut out animal products and lost the weight - think my body just agrees with not eating animal products. That being said I also cut back on alcohol about 99% and that could also be the reason for weightloss. Must still go for my cholestrol test to see how much my cholestrol is lower since going veggie!<br><br>
Its so weird everyone ask me do you still eat fish? Eeeck!<br><br>
Thanks for the support my mood has lifted and I am more relaxed.
 
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