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<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/kill_it/" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/kill_it/</a><br><br><br><br>
What do you think of this? The show will show the animal's life and trip to the slaughterhouse. They will actually show the slaughtering. I was hoping this would open people's eyes to what happens to an animal. But then it said they will cook and eat the animal which made me sad.<br><br><br><br>
I do think omnis need to have their eyes opened as to where food comes from. But I wonder is this the way to do it. I guess many more omnis might be willing to watch a BBC show rather than Meat your meat but if it ends with the animal on the table does it really help?<br><br><br><br>
I also noticed that it said a small slaughterhouse not a big comercial one so I suppose it is going to show it in a more "humane" way (which compared to a mass producing slaughterhouse probably will be but it still ends the same way)but I feel that will give omnis the wrong impression as to what it it really like.<br><br><br><br>
I can't decide if I am upset at this because I feel it will not portray suffering and death acurately or am I pleased that omnis will be forced to think about the origins of their food.<br><br><br><br>
What do you think?
 

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I saw an ad for it. At first I liked the idea from the ad (for those who haven't seen it, it is a chicken on the table, which grows back feathers and un-kills itself back into a real chicken, and asks 'do you know where your meat comes from?') because I thought it might work as a kind of expose. But I am really put off by the title. Has it aired yet? It might be worth a watch.<br><br><br><br>
PS: your new avatar but old title gave me a laugh!
 

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Yeah. ha ha--I noticed that and had to go back and quickly edit that. I wouldn't mind looking like a Heather spider though--they are cute and pink with a heart shaped butt. What more could you want?<br><br><br><br>
I don't think it has aired yet. People at work were decribing the ad about the dead to alive chicken but I haven't seen as we don't own a tv. I am put off by the title as well. And sad it has to end with eat it.
 

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I looked it up. It will be on on monday. If I remember, I will watch it (or as much of it as I can deal with <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">).
 

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I'm also wondering if the "farm" the animals are taken from will be a regular factory farm, or a small farm where the animals live more freely, giving the illusion that all animals who get used for meat live a fairly good life before being murdered.<br><br><br><br>
Anyway I will probably watch this, I'm hoping to convince my mother to watch it with me too.
 

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I feel you are probably right--it will mislead omnis by showing a small free range farm and a small slaughterhouse and they will say "gee, that's not too bad." Missing the fact completely that no matter the animal lived, it still had to be killed.<br><br><br><br>
Let me know those who watch if you think it shows things accurately. We don't own a tv so I'll be interested to hear what people say.
 

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It appears that it's actually going to be several programs. I wonder if they'll all be a small farms, etc. I'd suspect that the large farms may not have given permission for filming. I'm interesting in what it says, but I'm not sure I can handle something like that. I had to close my eyes in Babel when they killed the chicken. Ugh.
 

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That's interesting. I can't imagine this being shown on American network TV. Europeans seem more likely to face up to the reality of how food gets to the table, whereas Americans prefer to deny and pretend.<br><br><br><br>
I think that if someone thinks they need to eat animals, they should be able to watch the process that gets meat to their plates. Otherwise, they really have no business supporting it. Perhaps this will help some people reach the conclusion that yes, this is wrong.
 

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That's interesting. I can't imagine this being shown on American network TV. Europeans seem more likely to face up to the reality of how food gets to the table, whereas Americans prefer to deny and pretend. QUOTE]<br><br><br><br>
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I agree, Spider.<br><br><br><br>
It makes me annoyed when progs like this are broadcast, that they will show a censored, soft version - they would never broadcast something like MYM. WHY not?<br><br><br><br>
Grrr....... Why are people shielded from the truth?!?! I was excited about this prgram when I heard about it on the radio, although was miffed to find out it was on BBC3... Which I don't have <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>peace</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That's interesting. I can't imagine this being shown on American network TV. Europeans seem more likely to face up to the reality of how food gets to the table, whereas Americans prefer to deny and pretend.</div>
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And you base this on what? A plethora of these programs on European television? Oh, wait.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Otherwise, they really have no business supporting it.</div>
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Why?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>peace</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><br>
I think that if someone thinks they need to eat animals, they should be able to watch the process that gets meat to their plates. Otherwise, they really have no business supporting it. Perhaps this will help some people reach the conclusion that yes, this is wrong.</div>
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Agreed, agreed, agreed...<br><br>
That would help clear up many misconceptions, and allow people to see what really happens... before thinking it's OK just because they don't have to do it.
 

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Just watched a small clip of that from the website...<br><br><br><br>
"the animals are kept as stress free as possible"<br><br>
"British slaughterhouses operate on a humane killing process"<br><br><br><br>
argh.....I can already sense this is going to be notbing like reality. Why not have hidden cameras or something? Do you really think you are going to get an accurate perception of what it is like when the slaughterhouse KNOWS you're coming?<br><br><br><br>
*sigh*.....
 

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Somehow I knew that line was going to get a response.<br><br><br><br>
No, I based it on the laws "across the pond" that address some of the crueler practices of factory farming (like veal and gestation crates), while I have trouble imagining the ethics of pig crates being seriously debated in Congress. Before we make any sweeping changes in how animals are raised, we first must be willing to face and learn about the specifics.
 

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That's interesting. I can't imagine this being shown on American network TV. Europeans seem more likely to face up to the reality of how food gets to the table, whereas Americans prefer to deny and pretend.</div>
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No kidding. Why can we have ads on TV with animal flesh, but not ads showing the torture and slaughter? Hmmmmm???<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>peace</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I think that if someone thinks they need to eat animals, they should be able to watch the process that gets meat to their plates. Otherwise, they really have no business supporting it. Perhaps this will help some people reach the conclusion that yes, this is wrong.</div>
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Hee hee. Forget that! If they want animals on their plate, they should have to kill and "process" them themselves. That should take care of most meat eaters lickedy split!
 

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Hee hee. Forget that! If they want animals on their plate, they should have to kill and "process" them themselves. That should take care of most meat eaters lickedy split!</div>
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Really? So you believe humans didn't eat meat until someone else processed it for them?<br><br>
Oh, wait. They did.
 

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I've seen the adverts for this and will be watching it.<br><br><br><br>
For those wondering whether people watching animals raised/kill on small farms and in small slaughterhouses would lead to more people becoming vegetarian...well it certainly had an effect on me. One of the things that led to me becoming vegetarian was seeing turkeys and pigs slaughtered on Gordon Ramseys F-word programme. He'd raised these animals in his own back garden and they appeared to be well looked after. This wasn't mass produced/mass slaughtered meat at all. But seeing those animals being killed on TV got to me...it's stuck with me and combined with a little further reading and thinking I became vegetarian.<br><br><br><br>
So these kind of programmes have affected at least one person out there!
 

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Really? So you believe humans didn't eat meat until someone else processed it for them?<br><br>
Oh, wait. They did.</div>
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I can't imagine someone like my mother killing her own cow for dinner.<br><br><br><br><i>Men</i> were hunter/gatherers in the beginning [and yes, many men do still hunt], but I can't imagine very many women running around killing pigs and cows and turkeys.<br><br><br><br>
I think forcing people to do it themselves would significantly reduce how many meat-eaters there were. My fiancé does not hunt, and would more than likely give up meat if he were told he had to do the killing and processing himself.<br><br><br><br>
As the eyes of the world open, change ensues.<br><br><br><br>
You're awfully pessimistic.
 
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