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I just read an article in Friends of Animals and it claimed that the Bayer pharmaceutical company actually helped make the gas that killed the Jews in WW2. And they want the U.S. to lift the ban on human testing for pesticides. Supposedly they had 8 students in Sweden volunteer for a program and had no idea they were ingesting poisonus pesticides. What crap is this?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:"> If this is all true I am horrified. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"> They never said they didn't help out the Nazis just that they wanted to take their company into a better or different direction after that. If you can't find the article, pm me and I can fax it to you on Monday. Sorry I don't have a scanner or I'd scan it and attach it.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Any thoughts...comments..?
 

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Actually, I have heard a little on the NPR that there are many, many companies that helped the Germans in one way or another. Many have been bought or transformed or otherwise have a less obvious connection to the original company.<br><br><br><br>
The question is, how many years or generations of boards of directors, or what kind of reparations, before a company is forgiven?<br><br><br><br>
If I find more on this topic, I'll post a link.
 

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Yup, Ford motors was a backer. Hitler had a picture of Henry Ford in his office and used his idea of an "assembly " line for the horrors at the concentration camps.
 

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shouldnt the title for this thread be:<br><br>
'bayer helped nazis' ?<br><br><br><br>
im with thalia on this: <The question is, how many years or generations of boards of directors, or what kind of reparations, before a company is forgiven?><br><br><br><br>
a LOT of companies tried to better than themselves then which meant 'helping out the nazis'<br><br><br><br>
testing pesticides and doing illegal things is one thing, but why mix up the past into it?<br><br><br><br>
my 2 cents<br><br>
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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by scareyvegan</i><br><br><b>testing pesticides and doing illegal things is one thing, but why mix up the past into it?</b></div>
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I'm on the fence on this one. I'm not sure about the pesticide-thing. I'd need to know more about the source(s) of info. before deciding what I think about that.<br><br><br><br>
Re: the Nazi-Co issue: The past is the past, and companies should not be over-scrutinized on what has happened in the past. However, there certainly are companies that owe their successful foundations to business done for and during the Nazi campaign. True, many companies are so fundamentally different now compared to then, but there is reason to believe that companies like Bayer, Seimens, and what is now Daimler-Chrysler would not be as successful today, if at all, were it not for their alleigence during the reign of the Third Reich.<br><br><br><br>
The fallout from that period in Germany's history is still affecting German society today. 60 minutes did a piece on this 2 or 3 weeks ago. Do we have any Germans in our posse? I'd like to know what they think of this.
 

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Well, no doubt that's interesting if true, but what about Mitsubishi and most of the predecessors to the present Japanese car industry that made fighter planes and bombers to kill American soldiers and sailors? How many of you are outraged over that to the point that you won't buy a Japanese (or German) car? Not many, I'm guessing.<br><br><br><br>
My point is that the past is just that, the past. Hopefully we learn from it and will let it help, not hamper, us in the future.<br><br><br><br>
Bank, who's had more Japanese cars than most, and who is contemplating taking some Bayer aspirin if I drink as much tonight as I plan . . . <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I was just trying to get the word out because to me it seems the past for Bayer was just the beginning. They seem to have an affliction with human test subjects-definately NOT saying they should use animals. I think too judge a successful company you have to look at their past. Plus I do drive an american car. And buy as much things that are made in America as I can. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Bankruptor</i><br><br><b>How many of you are outraged over that to the point that you won't buy a Japanese (or German) car? Not many, I'm guessing.</b></div>
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Very good point, bank <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:"><br><br><br><br>
I would say calling it an "outrage" (on my behalf, at least) is perhaps a bit strong, when talking about companies such as Seimens. I don't think it's about the war, though, and that's the difference. Were Nazi Germany simply to wage war on its neighbors - if WWII were just another WWI - then Germany would have faced lesser fallout afterwards, more like Japan. Keep in mind, Japan did face a certain amount of rebuilding from their involvement in the war, and they were rebuilt "by" American forces which occupied the country for some 4 or 5 years after the war. Their economy didn't exactly bounce right back to its feet.<br><br><br><br>
Still, the difference, I would say, is not in the two countries envolvement in armed conflict, but in Nazi-Germany's treatment of those who were, essentially, its own people, and the companies that benefitted crucially from that horrible period in history.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by 808veggie</i><br><br><b>Plus I do drive an american car. And buy as much things that are made in America as I can. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></b></div>
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...and think of all the great things American industry supports! Third-world labor, globalization, not to mention its collective record of environmental abuses...
 

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Yes but, to me it's like those commercials that want you to support a child from a third world country. I think we should start with supporting our own country before moving to others. I know some companies do support wrong causes, but I'm sure everyone here does the best they can to avoid using these companies. Anyways, I think this could be a new thread all together so I'll leave it alone.
 

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The company that made the Zyklon B gas company is now called Siemens. They make all sorts of electronic gadgets that you'll find all ove rhte home.<br><br><br><br>
The product was a pesticide. It was toxic though, and Hitler ordered a lot of this stuff to use in concentration camps.<br><br><br><br>
Also, the volkswagen car company was started by Hitler. He aimed to provide a cheap and reliable car for the (aryan) masses. he stated that it should look a bit like a beetle. thus, the VW beetle, one of the biggest motoring icons ever, would not have been had it not have been for Hitler. (Volkswagen translates as "People's Car)<br><br><br><br>
There's a lot of companies who are related to world war 2. But we shouldn't boycott them for what happened sixty years ago.
 

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You have to remember that while Hitler was rising to power, a lot of people in the world thought he was an alright guy. He was trying to get the German economy back on its feet, and he was all about building a good, strong, working population. Even during the height of the war, very few people in the world (especially the U.S, where anti-semitism was still prominent) were all that interested in helping the Jews and stopping the concentration camps. He only became a bad guy when he tried to take over the world. Many people had no idea exactly what Hitler was doing at the time, including many Germans and even Jews. There were no CNN cameras following the soldiers in this war. What people knew was mainly what their government chose to tell them.<br><br><br><br>
Whew sorry for rambling, I'm not entirely sure if that had a point.
 

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your point is very well taken bloody. I agree that alot of people didn't know what was going on. Even today some people still deny it ever happened.
 

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Corporations, like nations, are abstract entities. Behind these concepts, there are/were <i>actual people</i> who made the decisions, who are likely long since dead. They are the ones responsible for any evils enacted in the past.<br><br><br><br>
The whole concept of reparations for past evils seems retarded. All the people that actually did the bad stuff are dead.
 

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well they aren't ALL dead. i remember hearing stories on the news about random old nazi dudes being found and them spending the rest of their lives in prison.
 

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OK, but some of you are missing the point, they still are doing things to hurt people. They are testing pesticide on people without their knowledge etc....so history seems to be repeating itself.
 
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