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<a href="http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=40598" target="_blank">http://www.statenews.com/op_article.phtml?pk=40598</a><br><br>
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The "Meatless Alternative" (SN 4/4), by Drew Winter is about what I expect out of most vegan conservationists; a cliché comment bashing President Bush to get "The Daily Show with John Stewart" and "The Colbert Report" crowd on board, then a pointless tirade on how animals deserve rights in our society.
 

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The writer of that piece has no brain. I'm serious: I once saw his brain in the trash bin of a bus station in Arkansas. I was too lazy to pick it up and ship it to him and now we see the results.
 

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It's already been shown that dolphins, all sorts of primates, and most recently, elephants, ARE self-aware. I have no doubt that we'll see more evidence of mammalian self-awareness in the future. So while the idea may make this dude "chuckle", it doesn't make his statement true.
 

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<div class="quote-block">We all can understand your revulsion toward animal cruelty, but like any other omnivore, <b>most of us need both meat and plants</b>. The only way to efficiently feed 300 million U.S. citizens meat is to create a factory environment around the entire procedure of raising, slaughtering and cooking meat.</div>
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I had to laugh at that last part. Who is this 'most of us' that's being refered to. Nobody <b>needs</b> meat to survive (in a purely biological sense). The 'need' for meat is nothing more than a taste.
 

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Frankly, I don't see veg*nism as a liberal cliche at all. None of the major left-wing magazines (i.e., The Nation, Mother Jones) <i>ever</i> print stories on even basic animal cruelty issues. It's like the animal world does not even exist.<br><br><br><br>
Sadly, some left-leaning people consider worrying about animals to be petty or even offensive in the face of war and injustice. Just like some right-wingers think campaigning for animals goes against God to elevate 'lowly animals' to a status they don't deserve.<br><br><br><br>
Either way, it's a way for political types to push animals out of their minds and think of animal advocates as 'beneath their much more important causes'.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Kula</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I had to laugh at that last part. Who is this 'most of us' that's being refered to. Nobody <b>needs</b> meat to survive (in a purely biological sense). The 'need' for meat is nothing more than a taste.</div>
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I was gonna post something similar until I saw you beat me to it!<br><br><br><br>
But yeah, who "needs" meat? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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<div class="quote-block">But yeah, who "needs" meat? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:"></div>
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Carnivores.
 

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Um, some college papers are quite well regarded.
 

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<div class="quote-block">As far as most logical people are concerned, animals are not self-aware. Self-awareness is something uniquely human something that separates us from all other animals.</div>
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hmmm. Well, I'm logical, and I thought it was the ability to understand concequences and thus choose not to do things that made humans unique... of course, this means that animals should be treated well and not have to be responsible for their actions like humans, even if this person suggests otherwise... then again, maybe it's just me.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>IamJen</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Um, some college papers are quite well regarded.</div>
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That's hardly the point, though, innit? Both this article and the one from Penn State article that was linked to elsewhere were not exactly thoughtful pieces from respectable sources. They're Some Dude With An Opinion's half-brained attack on a perceived enemy and a flaccid defense of the status quo.<br><br><br><br>
I mean, I get it, some dude wrote something dumb, but this kind of thing can be expected from small town/suburban dudes who go to state unis and AAAAAAAAAAGH DIVERSITY and suddenly feel as if their cocoon of mainstream values has been breached or altered in some way.<br><br><br><br>
This certainly extends beyond lame college newspapers (I still maintain that they're by and large all rags.) Just pick anything from public life and SOUPRISE people are saying ill-informed things (see: the pantheon of "Stupid Things Omnivores Say" posts). I just don't think that most of them warrant a response, not because it's not important or because the discussion from it won't be valuable, but because we've probably heard most everything by now and it feels like, if you'll excuse the metaphor, we're beating a dead horse.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>KofiAnnonymous</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
That's hardly the point, though, innit? Both this article and the one from Penn State article that was linked to elsewhere were not exactly thoughtful pieces from respectable sources. They're Some Dude With An Opinion's half-brained attack on a perceived enemy and a flaccid defense of the status quo.<br><br><br><br>
I mean, I get it, some dude wrote something dumb, but this kind of thing can be expected from small town/suburban dudes who go to state unis and AAAAAAAAAAGH DIVERSITY and suddenly feel as if their cocoon of mainstream values has been breached or altered in some way.<br><br><br><br>
This certainly extends beyond lame college newspapers (I still maintain that they're by and large all rags.) Just pick anything from public life and SOUPRISE people are saying ill-informed things (see: the pantheon of "Stupid Things Omnivores Say" posts). I just don't think that most of them warrant a response, not because it's not important or because the discussion from it won't be valuable, but because we've probably heard most everything by now and it feels like, if you'll excuse the metaphor, we're beating a dead horse.</div>
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Agreed for the most part, with the final paragraph here. Your earlier, more concise statement seemed to be singling out college papers as the bastions of stupidity.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Sevenseas</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The writer of that piece has no brain. I'm serious: I once saw his brain in the trash bin of a bus station in Arkansas. I was too lazy to pick it up and ship it to him and now we see the results.</div>
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Arkansas? C'mon - not all of us down here are stupid! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 
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