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What the questions says - are there any products you think are cruel to animals but aren't directly a product of said animals?
 

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none that i'm aware of.<br>
this is a good question, i'd like to know as well lol.
 

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A lot of people avoid palm oil because its production involves the destruction of orangutan habitat.
 

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Any individual ingredients that are vegan, but have been tested on animals. Palm oil. These things may not technically be "products" that you would buy in a shop, but in my opinion they are cruel, and unfotunately sometimes unavoidable.<br><br>
Can't think of anything else at the moment, my brain has been frazzled by browsing too many "interesting" threads on Veggieboards.
 

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Some people don't shop at pet stores that sell animals.
 

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What about companies that produce Vegan items but are owned higher up by companies that profit from animal tests.<br>
The Body Shop being a good example as they are owned by Loreal. Also Pringles (UK) are crisps that are veggie/vegan(in some varieties) but they are owned by P&G.
 

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I try to avoid palm oil but sadly it's in a lot of things, so I don't always succeed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I try to avoid non fairtrade chocolate, tea, coffee and bananas as I am worried about the resulting cruelty to (human) animals, but it's a work in progress. I try to avoid nestle and coca cola and usually manage. I am also trying to cut down on buying non- fairtrade clothing. I have started trying to avoid Procter and Gamble stuff and palm oil is something I need to work on. As far as possible and practicable means just that, so I wouldn't expect any other vegans to avoid these things or even necessarily say that the human aspect is part of veganism at all.
 

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Palm oil for sure. I recently found out that it is used to make detergents/soaps, glycerin, and various other chemicals that you wouldn't necessarily be able to tell where it came from by the name, so it is somewhat unavoidable. But I do avoid it where it is listed as an ingredient in food. It really irks me that so many vegan dairy substitutes use palm oil -- it just doesn't seem like a good trade-off to me.<br><br>
I've been wondering about chocolate lately, both due to human rights issue and environmental concerns. It seems that most brands of chocolate that I buy have some commitment to responsible/sustainable sourcing, but I'm not sure how much of a difference that really makes.
 

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Palm Oil, corn products.
 

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sugar is the big one for me too, anything that makes my eyes burn can't be good for you......although i don't do hfcs or artificial sweeteners either.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>etoille</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2924295"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
sugar is the big one for me too, anything that makes my eyes burn can't be good for you.</div>
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if you eat it or put it in your eyes?
 

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I try to avoid as much sugar as possible, and buy as much fair trade as possible. I don't eat/use anything by P&G, Ulniver, or containing palm oil (although I keep making mistakes and slips regarding the palm oil.) I don't drink Jagger or J.D. - both are vegan but sponsor rodeos.
 

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Palm oil is so difficult to avoid in my experience.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SomebodyElse</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2920965"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
A lot of people avoid palm oil because its production involves the destruction of orangutan habitat.</div>
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I didn't know this. Always learning something on this board.<br><br>
As River stated, I too avoid corn unless it's organic based product.<br><br>
I need to work on the coffee and chocolate. This thread is a good reminder. I have no plans to give up sugar. I do try to limit sugar though. For plain sugar I buy Florida Crystals.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Spang</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2928672"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
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