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it's one of those work at home things, you stuff envelopes, they pay you $2.50 american per envelope <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/shocked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":eek:"><br><br>
the company is called Perma Graphic Corp. and the website is <a href="http://www.mailenvelopes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mailenvelopes.com/</a><br><br><br><br>
i'm just wondering if anyone's heard anything about it, good or bad. i'm thinking of joining up, i need the cash, but don't want to get suckered into a scam. i may call the BBB tomorrow to ask about it.<br><br><br><br>
reason i'm hesitant is that i'd have to pay roughly $60 canadian initially to get the starter package. i was all worried that i couldn't do it anyway cause my visa is damn near maxed out but i just discovered today that the bank raised my credit limit without telling me! so i can now afford to pay the initial 60 bucks, i'm hoping to sign up tomorrow if it's ligit.<br><br><br><br>
i tried looking up the company name in google and didn't come up with anything, is there a website somewhere that investigates sites like these and tells you which are scams?
 

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Any job that you have to pay money up front is a very bad idea.<br><br><br><br>
ENVELOPE STUFFING IS A SCAM.<br><br><br><br>
You've probably seen those mouth-watering ads that tempt you with the promise of $2 (or $3 or $4) for each and every envelope you stuff.<br><br><br><br>
Does the phrase, 'Too good to be true' come to mind?<br><br><br><br>
It should. In this technologically-advanced era, we have envelope stuffing machines that can do the work cheaper and faster than hiring a home worker. Even without a machine, why would a company pay someone $2000 to stuff 1000 envelopes, when they can pay any number of willing local workers the same MONTHLY salary to stuff unlimited envelopes?<br><br><br><br>
This is how it works: Normally you pay a 'startup' or 'materials' fee - or sometimes the scammer states that the fee is to 'make sure you're serious'.<br><br><br><br>
You stuff the envelopes with a flyer or circular that attempts to scam another poor soul into parting with the startup fee.<br><br><br><br>
In all these years online, I have never met anyone who's made even a single dollar with envelope stuffing.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://homebasedwork.com/articles/scamradar.html" target="_blank">http://homebasedwork.com/articles/scamradar.html</a>
 

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Yes- I recall seeing a TV special on this, one time.<br><br>
Like Jess B said- any job that you have to pay up front for is a scam.<br><br>
Dont' do it.
 

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There was a story done some years ago by a local reporter (I think in Arizona, but I'm not sure. It's been so long ago). She signed up for one of those "make jewelry from home" things and after paying her $$$ (paid for by the paper), they sent her the kit along with her instructions. She made the earrings that they assigned to her and took pictures of them. She sent the finished product back to the company and figured she would be getting her check anytime soon. Quite some time later, they sent her a check for not quite a third of what they promised. Their reasonings: her earrings were imperfect and noticibly flawed and could not be sold for full price. In the story, there was a picture of her holding up 2 different colored earrings, 1 was a sample that the company sent her (to show her what they were supposed to look like) and the other 1 was made by the reporter. In the caption, it was asked "can you tell which earring I made?" You really couldn't tell. They <i>both</i> looked like they were the sample. At the end of the story, she told about what a scam it was all in all and how glad she was that she didn't pay for this with her own money but still felt badely that the paper put up money that they will never see again, just for this story. Then, she said what we all know "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is"<br><br><br><br>
LF, your gut is trying to tell you something in your hesitancy to pay $60. Your gut feeling knows that something's not right and is telling you so. "Listen to it" is my only advice.
 

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What sucks about these things is there is always a part of you that gets excited imagining how cool it would be if it were true.<br><br><br><br>
I saw the thing about the earrings, too. They had it as one of many stories about scams on Dateline or some similar show.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but in the dateline show, didn't they have a professional jewelry designer make a set of earrings and the company sent hers back claiming they were flawed??
 

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I don't know about the Dateline story, kraftykraft. The story I'm talking about was one that ran in our local "story behind the story" papers (the ones that report the stuff you never see in the newspapers...).<br><br><br><br>
But it doesn't surprize me about the Dateline version either. It seems that you could send the samples back and they would <i>still</i> claim they were flawed or something.
 

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LF, you could start your own scamming company... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Just kiddin'. My guess is the offer you've heard about is no good.
 

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yeah you guys are probably right. i might call the BBB and see what they say anyways so i know for sure. (if i know it really was a scam i won't be kicking myself for passing it up)
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by skylark</i><br><br><b>LF, you could start your own scamming company... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"> Just kiddin'. My guess is the offer you've heard about is no good.</b></div>
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Don't think i havent thought of this already. the ticket is that its not really a scam because you are selling a product, the product is a CD which you simply put on there in a text file or something that says copy this CD and sell it to make money. You will make money off selling the CD and people who buy it now know that they can make money off selling the CD too because they just wasted money on a the CD. Of course you can put some pretty things on the CD to make it seem greater than it is, but really its just selling the same CD you bought, just a copy of it.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by majake</i><br><br><b>Don't think i havent thought of this already. the ticket is that its not really a scam because you are selling a product, the product is a CD which you simply put on there in a text file or something that says copy this CD and sell it to make money. You will make money off selling the CD and people who buy it now know that they can make money off selling the CD too because they just wasted money on a the CD. Of course you can put some pretty things on the CD to make it seem greater than it is, but really its just selling the same CD you bought, just a copy of it.</b></div>
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Cool! Scam + mail fraud = deep doo-doo for the rest of your natural life + the lives of the next 6 generations that come from you..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
It reminds me of a story that I heard when I was younger: it seems a guy put a classified ad in the paper that read "if you haven't sent in your dollar, please do so now" and then he gave a post office box as the place to send that dollar. That was all he wrote. He promised no product or anything in return for the dollar sent. It was just "send in your dollar....". Well, they hauled him up on mail fraud charges, fined him up the wazoo (prolly sent him to jail for a long while, too I don't remember), and made his life one long string of living misery. I think by the time he finally finished taking care of all his legal problems, he was a very, very old man.<br><br><br><br>
When it comes to scams, the only winning move is not to play.
 

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"... send one dollar to Happy Dude..."<br><br><br><br>
some are sneaky though. like the pyramid things, amway etc, are considered legitamite but we all know they really are scams
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by DeeYahMK</i><br><br><b>Cool! Scam + mail fraud = deep doo-doo for the rest of your natural life + the lives of the next 6 generations that come from you..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"></b></div>
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how would this be mail fraud? Is it illegal to sell an idea on how to make money?
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by majake</i><br><br><b>how would this be mail fraud? Is it illegal to sell an idea on how to make money?</b></div>
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i don't know about that, but it is illegal to sell a copyrighted CD.
 
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