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I epilate ... when I remember to. I'm naturally a brunette with pale skin - but my leg hair is super fine (and patchy) and fair so I ignore it most of the winter. I also epilate under my arms (there's really not that much hair there) about oh er ... once or twice a month in summer less in winter. Bikini line - I give it a neaten up come summer but it's generally au natural (I do trim it quite close once a month - especially after the tampon string and hair entanglement debacle).

The lovely fiance is easily scandalised by underarm hair (which makes me laugh) but the rest doesn't bother him.

Of course I was brought up on the continent (and spent many years in Germany - where shaving was less popular) so depilation's always been a bit haphazard. Though if it's a special occasion (like a wedding or something) I will make the effort. It's sort of a ritual of getting ready.
 

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Discussing a matter which I seen in the 'recent discussions' list is a sign of my female-related-issues now? Words fail me at this point but congratulations the combined effort on here has strengthened my views on feminists. On that note I shall say no more on it and I don't expect to read anymore condescending digs aimed at me on the matter.
Just to be clear (as the one who asked the question), I'm not a 'feminist' (or at least not the type your referring to) and I wasn't offended by what you said. I grew up around "good ol' boy' type men, so for the most part (unless some truly offensive stuff), men's 'opinions' go in one ear and out the other:) (though I see you've offended quite a few other members).

I do, as mentioned, try to keep it pretty natural though. I am very distrusting of beauty products because they have so many unnatural chemicals, and even 'natural' or 'organic' ones are still not a natural thing to put on your body. To me, not shaving really wouldn't be some kind of 'protest' of "male-imposed bla bla bla...", just more of a question of "what is the benefit of it?" and "did mother nature intend for me to shave?". There really doesn't seem to be a benefit, beyond society says so (and putting $$$ in the razor companies pockets) and it certainly isn't a natural thing to do. Bathing and grooming are both natural behaviors observed in many species (and are essential), but shaving or hair removal (besides natural shedding)....not so much. It's just kind of strange to me though that it seems like my personal fear of being 'judged' (which we all are, all day, every day in this plastic perfection-obsessed society) is so much greater with this than the many other things I do (or don't do) that I'm already harshly judged for. That's all.
 

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I epilate ... when I remember to. I'm naturally a brunette with pale skin - but my leg hair is super fine (and patchy) and fair so I ignore it most of the winter. I also epilate under my arms (there's really not that much hair there) about oh er ... once or twice a month in summer less in winter. Bikini line - I give it a neaten up come summer but it's generally au natural (I do trim it quite close once a month - especially after the tampon string and hair entanglement debacle).

The lovely fiance is easily scandalised by underarm hair (which makes me laugh) but the rest doesn't bother him.

Of course I was brought up on the continent (and spent many years in Germany - where shaving was less popular) so depilation's always been a bit haphazard. Though if it's a special occasion (like a wedding or something) I will make the effort. It's sort of a ritual of getting ready.
I kind of like this method/idea of only shaving when it's a special-type occasion and otherwise letting it go. I haven't completely shunned all 'societal norms' (yet) but do lean towards natural usually being the best option.
 

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I don't shave my legs much in the winter which is nice because the hair keeps my legs warm!!! I stopped shaving below the belt as well because I feel more comfortable with a little carpeting there. Otherwise my skin there gets itchy and irritated.
 

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Hum. Is this even a "women's health issue" ? Besides cutting yourself or pouring hot wax too fast, I don't really see...
Anyway, I'm biologically female so I guess I can post here.

I used wax during teenage, but never in the pubic region. I cut the hair in my armpits with scissors but leave a "decent length" so they're soft and comfortable. I waxed my legs two years ago because I wanted to wear a skirt in a special context, now it has grown again, it's very soft and nice, my parter likes it that way. I'm wearing shorts as often as possible. I swim in shorts and T-shirt outside, shorty bikini inside. Never any nasty remarks, besides from my family, but if I would listen to them, I would still eat meat once a week.

Women here (France) seem to mostly use creams and waxes and electric stuff. They seem to use the razor mostly for the armpits or when they don't have time to do the other way. They generally avoid shaving because they'd rather not have beard growing on their body two days after.

I don't find shaved legs pretty and it scratches when we touch them. I hope it is not the same with pubic hair (woooooo :eek: running around in panic).
 

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Personally I still shave because I prefer the feeling of being freshly shaved. Like you, it's pretty much the only standardized beauty ritual I still go through. However, I'm pretty sure the last time my sister shaved was . . . Maybe her wedding? And then she got professionally waxed, not shaved. We recently went to the beach, and her legs were a good deal hairier than her husband's. You know what though? No one said anything about it, and she even got hit on by some high school seniors who refused to believe she was a 26-year-old mom. I don't think anyone else looks at our bodies as critically as we do, so we should probably just do what makes us comfortable. If you want to stop shaving, there couldn't be a better time to do it. Apparently unshaved pits are trending right now.
 

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I shave under arms more out of habit I suppose. My partner doesn't give a flying f*** if I have hair anywhere. This shaving of the genitals though? I only recently found out from one of my daughters that it was quite normal and to say I was shocked was an understatement. Why the **** would you want to do that? I've just returned to Scotland from living in a country where I spent most days in the sea or by the sea and did it ever occur to me that the odd hair enjoying the fresh air was a total no no? What do you think????
 
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I only recently found out from one of my daughters that it was quite normal and to say I was shocked was an understatement. Why the **** would you want to do that?
This is probably waaaaaaaaaay too much information, but since you asked:

Even though I like it aesthetically, I hate the way it feels. It's thick and course, and there's a heck of a lot of it. If I let it get back to a "bush" state I become hyper-aware of the way it lays, almost to the point that it's painful. I also prefer the sensation of a fresh shave during intercourse as opposed to the friction created by hair down there. My current partner doesn't care one way or the other, but I can't say I've never been pressured by a partner to shave or wax. It sucks when someone else tries to tell you what to do with your body, but at the same time, I've gone down on a woman who didn't shave her nether regions, and it wasn't the most pleasant experience. Honestly, that got me to shave on a more regular basis than anything a partner ever said to me.
 

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I do my pits. I do not shave my legs because I have a medical condition in which my blood circulation is messed up in my right leg. I broke my leg many years ago, and it healed badly, and the whole area got infected. I tend to scar very badly, and three times have gotten wicked ulcers which I had to go to a wound center for. Any scratch on that leg can turn into a bad problem.

The other leg does not get shaven because I would rather not have to explain why only one leg is shaven.

Due to the ugly scaring I do not wear shorts or dresses outside of the home. I have been wearing dresses over leggings recently though. Long skirts are also in now, which is great.

Luckily my leg hair is very light.
 

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I recently decided if I'm trying to reduce my waste, I should also be concerned about razors. I did look up a recipe for sugaring wax though...right now I am letting my pubic and underarm hair go, I mean the shaved private parts is not really in style anymore, and plenty of potential partners don't care about that anyway. I also thought about the underarm thing as being easy to conceal in formal circumstances with clothing, it would only be visible in casual situations in a tank top or bathing suit on hot days.

Legs though. ..it's ridiculous because it's the least connected to hygiene, but the most connected to gender roles that go beyond sex partners. Shaved legs are expected by family, friends, acquaintances, co'workers. So I have shaved my legs.

I did once stop shaving for a winter in college in West Virginia. It was damn cold, the hair kept me warmer I reasoned, and nobody saw it but me. Legs and all, for the first and only time since 8th grade.
 

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There's no doubt that there is a definition of beauty to conform to, fashion within that beauty and some do's and don'ts with regards to how we appear both clothed and nude.

Whether or not these stem from higher up the chain of command i.e. imposed upon us, or whether they popular preference i.e. most people agree and share that view, is a matter of contention.

If you genuinely want not to shave any area then I doubt anyone will physically force you to do so, it is however a question of personal perception with regards to that aspect of personal care. Be it by social indoctrination or by the evolution of mass opinion, for better- for worse, the fact is people generally hold views as to what is and is not acceptable, they do judge people based on their appearance. If you wish not to shave your underarms, that's your choice but if those area's are going to be made visible to everyone else then you are putting yourself in the situation where people may or may not stare, judge and even comment. Rightly or wrongly that is the world in which we live. If you wish to protest at this aspect of human nature and societal norms then by all means do so, be prepared however to attract attention and all that goes with it. While not being female I do empathise with the aspects of appearance (and all the work that entails) that it seems women must conform to in order to function within this society, make no mistake about it however men too are placed under pressure to look and behave a certain way etc as well, increasingly so it would seem.

My personal view (be it my own or socially indoctrinated into me) is that a woman can do what she likes, that doesn't mean in the case of underarm hair that she has to show it off, if one does so then they can expect that many people with our society will find it unusual, some will be attracted, some will be repelled, some will be kind, some will be rude,....such is the world, if you put it out there it will be noticed. Whether you can handle that and consider not shaving as to your betterment that you do not care of others noticing, only you will know.

If it's merely down to some kind of protest at the world then I think it's somewhat misguided personally, I'm not suggesting that is the case with yourself and you certainly can but equally why do we have to wear clothes at all? why must one shower/bath? why can't people be all be touchy-feely or keep themselves to themselves? I mention these to highlight that there are many area's of life you could argue and/or protest about but none the less we understand why things are the way they are and that there is consequences for challenging them good and bad.
My motivation is actually to extract myself from corporate funded misogyny (woman there's something wrong with you, try this product) and also because I have decided I no longer desire a partner who would fetishize body shaving, because especially the pubic hair thing stems from pornography. Also, waste is a huge issue for me, and I don't want to keep purchasing razors, though I could learn to sugar wax my lower legs or even my arm pits for social conformity and still reduce waste.

Your example of bathing is absurd. People who smell bad are extremely offensive in a myriad of situations, not just the bedroom, but on the bus, in an elevator or beside you in line. Plus, unwashed people are more likely to contract things like lice and in severe situations are a health hazard because they harbor bacteria. Bathing is a matter of health as well as a basic social function, one of the most basic, far more basic for functionality in a working environment or friendship than shaving or cosmetics.

Touching also is about personal space and having boundaries, while shaving is entirely a personal choice, like getting a tattoo or wearing dresses or having short or long hair on one's head.
 

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I haven't done anything to my body hair in almost five years now. It's dark and I'm pale, but to me it is sexy, and I like being sexy for myself. Also shaving has always been painful to me, no matter how careful I was, so that's definitely a minus. I have a female body but I identify as genderqueer. Most people just assume I'm female (I'm okay with that), which is why I'm answering this... because I appear to be a hairy female. I figure you should do what makes you happy with your body, and if that involves shaving/waxing, that's cool, but for me, I'm happiest with my hair the way it is naturally. I've never been with a partner who didn't want me because of the hair, and my husband doesn't mind it, though if anyone had said they didn't like it I wouldn't have changed anything
 

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I don't shave and feel better for it.
I just figure... there are so many other things I refuse to do because i don't want to or feel like I need to so why is shaving different? It was for a while but then just...wasn't. I'm 31 and my life is mine.

More time, less denial of natural body-ness, partner couldn't care less and have never felt particularly judged despite fearing it initially.

On the contrary, actually. A few women have come up to me and commented on how they admired my bravery and didn't see the point in shaving but were too scared to stop. Several of them I've seen again and they'd since stopped shaving and never looked back.

I get why people like shaving (I like the moisturisers etc. I used to use but just don't now because it doesn't work as well. That's the only thing I miss and randomly shave for eeeeevery now and then. And yes, I know, I could use them regardless... but...) and I get why people feel they have to (yeah. Society, man....) but I don't and I'm happy and if not shaving makes you happy then I say do it (or rather: don't do it!)!
 

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Hi so no I'm not a vegan however I have major skin issues, dry,(eczema) itchy, extremely sensitive skin and a vegan friend of mine suggested changing my face, body, hair, makeup products to vegan. Just not sure where to begin. Any advice?
 

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Hi so no I'm not a vegan however I have major skin issues, dry,(eczema) itchy, extremely sensitive skin and a vegan friend of mine suggested changing my face, body, hair, makeup products to vegan. Just not sure where to begin. Any advice?
Well, vegan products won't have anything obtained from animals, and certainly won't use cruel testing methods just for unnecessary legalities.
Have you tried using light oils, or coconut oil, immediately after a shower or bath, when still warm and damp? I've mixed coconut oil (liquify by sitting the jar in hot water if solid) with a regular unscented lotion> That works really and lasts.

I have tried some awesome organic lotions that were all fruit oils at health stores, but very expensive. Target often has lotions to sample in their organic section.
What does your friend recommend?


Ohhhh-- do you have a Trader Joes? Midsummers Night Creme is vegan and organic, thick, unscented (really, not like a weird scent- I add an essential oil sometimes) and very good for sensitive skin. I've heard people say it's good for excema. totally non irritating. I use it all over, that's what I mixed with some coconut oil at the end of the bottle, but very good on it;s own. I just wanted to let it drip into a jar
 

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And after a winters growth, it is now shave season!
I really hate hair as much as shaving. I get those red dots on my legs and ingrown hair. I'd love to get it lasered or whatever they do to finish it off.
 
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