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The longer (and by longer, I mean it's been years now) I go without using beauty products, cosmetics, perfumes/deodorants, hair products ext... the more I'm reaching a point shaving seems pretty pointless as well (in the rational part of my brain at least). I'm already pretty 'natural' as is, but I have continued shaving my legs, bikini area and underarms. I don't know why after I let go of so many other societally-imposed beauty 'rituals' so long ago this one is the one that lingers. It's not like my husband cares either. I guess I'm just afraid of strangers judging me (not that I *should* care too much about that as I'm sure they already judge me harshly as-is). Just curious if any other women out there no longer shave and how much do people really notice? Do you frequently have to deal with ridicule or 'mean' stares?
 

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I've gone all winter withouth shaving, same as last winter. I did like how after it all grew out it was no longer sharp and coarse and pokey. I wanted to like the whole thing, but I don't. Every time I looked at my legs I was not happy. I just don't like the way human hair looks on limbs, just dark and sparse. A shame too, because since I've started the summer shaving season I again get the red dots, and prickly fresh cut hair. I don't like that either, but I like the look of shaved legs so much more.
I don't like the way underarm hair looks either. It just grows to a point and I think it just looks smelly, or ready to pick up fuzz.

Anyone do something besides shave?
 

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I'm in exactly the same situation. I feel compelled to keep shaving even though I find it tiresome, my husband doesn't care, and it runs counter to my ethics (not the act of shaving itself, but the idea that a woman must shave to be beautiful/acceptable/clean.) I'm too entrenched to stop right now, but I'm not proud of it.
 

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Sometimes, I go a bit too long without shaving my legs. Simply out of pure laziness. I only wear pants anyway (even when I shave). However, I do prefer my legs without hair.
I do shave my underarms often, though. I find underarm hair unattractive even in guys (unless it's very little).
 
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For anyone getting those red dots have you tried using a safety razor? It has really helped me with irritation. Plus the blades are extremely cheap compared to the cartridge system.
 

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Lucibow- I agree with my more 'southernly located' hair being uncomfortable, especially when it's hot out, and I likely wouldn't stop shaving those areas for the comfort factor alone.

I guessed I lucked out on the genetic lottery that my leg hair is so light and fine, you can only see it when the light hits it (I don't shave my legs in the winter and only need to every other week or so in the summer). It's the unshaved armpits that 'scare' me to leave unshaved lol. That hair you would definitely be able to see. I also don't wear perfumes or deodorants (and never plan to again), so it does concern me (though I've heard having unshaved underarms actually make you sweat less, thus smell, less). It's kind of crazy the internal battle though about something completely natural to my body.
 

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I almost never shave, sometimes under my arms. I just don't because I don't want to or like to, and I think every woman should choose if they want to shave for themselves. I don't think women should have to shave to be considered "clean", it's such a misogynistic idea. My boyfriend does not care, he's hairy himself and I would never expect him to shave his body if he didn't want to.
 

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I am a shaver, for sure. My skin is quite pale, and my body hair isnt soft. So off it goes!

Because of my super sensitive skin,I cant shave super close like some people can, so its not like I am ever completely smooth.

I conform to a lot of social standards, I am clean, smell nice, brush my hair,wear clean clothing, etc.... I consider shaving to be a part of that.
 

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I shave and pluck and wax (though am tempted to try threading) and put cremes on.

I don't like any of my hair, unless it's on my head.

With that said, there's been times when I've straight up forgotten to shave and no one's said anything to me. I've noticed women with unshaved legs and while I've stared because it's something 'different', it's not something I've been disgusted by.

I say trial it. See how you go with your unshaven legs! If someone takes issue with it, tell them to get lost.
 

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There's no doubt that there is a definition of beauty to conform to, fashion within that beauty and some do's and don'ts with regards to how we appear both clothed and nude.

Whether or not these stem from higher up the chain of command i.e. imposed upon us, or whether they popular preference i.e. most people agree and share that view, is a matter of contention.

If you genuinely want not to shave any area then I doubt anyone will physically force you to do so, it is however a question of personal perception with regards to that aspect of personal care. Be it by social indoctrination or by the evolution of mass opinion, for better- for worse, the fact is people generally hold views as to what is and is not acceptable, they do judge people based on their appearance. If you wish not to shave your underarms, that's your choice but if those area's are going to be made visible to everyone else then you are putting yourself in the situation where people may or may not stare, judge and even comment. Rightly or wrongly that is the world in which we live. If you wish to protest at this aspect of human nature and societal norms then by all means do so, be prepared however to attract attention and all that goes with it. While not being female I do empathise with the aspects of appearance (and all the work that entails) that it seems women must conform to in order to function within this society, make no mistake about it however men too are placed under pressure to look and behave a certain way etc as well, increasingly so it would seem.

My personal view (be it my own or socially indoctrinated into me) is that a woman can do what she likes, that doesn't mean in the case of underarm hair that she has to show it off, if one does so then they can expect that many people with our society will find it unusual, some will be attracted, some will be repelled, some will be kind, some will be rude,....such is the world, if you put it out there it will be noticed. Whether you can handle that and consider not shaving as to your betterment that you do not care of others noticing, only you will know.

If it's merely down to some kind of protest at the world then I think it's somewhat misguided personally, I'm not suggesting that is the case with yourself and you certainly can but equally why do we have to wear clothes at all? why must one shower/bath? why can't people be all be touchy-feely or keep themselves to themselves? I mention these to highlight that there are many area's of life you could argue and/or protest about but none the less we understand why things are the way they are and that there is consequences for challenging them good and bad.
 

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If it's merely down to some kind of protest at the world then I think it's somewhat misguided personally, I'm not suggesting that is the case with yourself and you certainly can but equally why do we have to wear clothes at all? why must one shower/bath? why can't people be all be touchy-feely or keep themselves to themselves? I mention these to highlight that there are many area's of life you could argue and/or protest about but none the less we understand why things are the way they are and that there is consequences for challenging them good and bad.
Mmmm, yes, I remember a time I protested the killing of animals, by not eating animals. Totes misguided.

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Given that your body has not been policed in the same way women's bodies have been (I'm not saying men don't have pressures, they do), then I don't think you can really speak to what is a 'misguided' form of protest, by women, about the way society views their bodies. Especially when those protests make people do exactly what they're meant to do- Think about the differences we have decided exist between men and women.


For example, women who go topless to protest the fact that a woman without a shirt on is seen very differently than a man without a shirt on, are not misguided. They are women pointing to the fact that when their chests are exposed it's 'revealing themselves' but when a man has his chest exposed, it's acceptable and certainly not seen as a crime. Given that you have not had the experience of being a woman in that situation, you don't get to say whether it's a misguided protest or not. Rather, I would hope that you would look at a protest even if you think it's misguided and ask yourself why that protest is happening.

As for washing and being touchy-feely..... People should wash because it's not only offensive not to, it's also not healthy not to. Hygiene has helped us not die of lots of things. We should continue to do that. Touchy feely, depends on the way you define it, but I see it as someone getting in my personal space and touching me.....That's very different from someone not shaving their legs.
 

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Mmmm, yes, I remember a time I protested the killing of animals, by not eating animals. Totes misguided. (not what I said and as each instance is different the validity of each form of protest may be different)

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Given that your body has not been policed in the same way women's bodies have been (I'm not saying men don't have pressures, they do), then I don't think you can really speak to what is a 'misguided' form of protest, by women, about the way society views their bodies (So what's the point? If men cannot have an opinion or discuss it why bother? Are they meant to sit and be preached to? Who is preventing a woman from not shaving her pits?). Especially when those protests make people do exactly what they're meant to do- Think about the differences we have decided exist between men and women. (You mean like the social eradication of violence as a means to achieve a goal because it favours men and the utter lack of recognition that women use manipulation on a regular basis?)


For example, women who go topless to protest the fact that a woman without a shirt on is seen very differently than a man without a shirt on, are not misguided. They are women pointing to the fact that when their chests are exposed it's 'revealing themselves' but when a man has his chest exposed, it's acceptable and certainly not seen as a crime. Given that you have not had the experience of being a woman in that situation, you don't get to say whether it's a misguided protest or not (so once again I'm to be preached to, I am to consider that point of view and not question it, discuss it and offer opinion?). Rather, I would hope that you would look at a protest even if you think it's misguided and ask yourself why that protest is happening.

As for washing and being touchy-feely..... People should wash because it's not only offensive not to (why does someone expressing their choice in refusing to wash offend you? it's their choice *common feminist argument reversed*) , it's also not healthy not to (matter of debate). Hygiene has helped us not die of lots of things. We should continue to do that. Touchy feely, depends on the way you define it, but I see it as someone getting in my personal space and touching me.....That's very different from someone not shaving their legs (Yes however the point was to highlight that there are many societal rules we follow while not everyone agree's with them, several of which are in place for similar reasons as shaving yet no large movement is on the horizon to highlight it, remember I'm not saying a woman has to shave, I simply am saying I'm not sure it's something to protest about and I don't think not-shaving is something to do purely to protest something, it is after-all a right you already have, the world will like it or not, why do they have to like it?) .
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Given that your body has not been policed in the same way women's bodies have been (I'm not saying men don't have pressures, they do), then I don't think you can really speak to what is a 'misguided' form of protest, by women, about the way society views their bodies (So what's the point? If men cannot have an opinion or discuss it why bother? Are they meant to sit and be preached to? Who is preventing a woman from not shaving her pits?). Especially when those protests make people do exactly what they're meant to do- Think about the differences we have decided exist between men and women. (You mean like the social eradication of violence as a means to achieve a goal because it favours men and the utter lack of recognition that women use manipulation on a regular basis?)


For example, women who go topless to protest the fact that a woman without a shirt on is seen very differently than a man without a shirt on, are not misguided. They are women pointing to the fact that when their chests are exposed it's 'revealing themselves' but when a man has his chest exposed, it's acceptable and certainly not seen as a crime. Given that you have not had the experience of being a woman in that situation, you don't get to say whether it's a misguided protest or not (so once again I'm to be preached to, I am to consider that point of view and not question it, discuss it and offer opinion?). Rather, I would hope that you would look at a protest even if you think it's misguided and ask yourself why that protest is happening.

As for washing and being touchy-feely..... People should wash because it's not only offensive not to (why does someone expressing their choice in refusing to wash offend you? it's their choice *common feminist argument reversed*) , it's also not healthy not to (matter of debate). Hygiene has helped us not die of lots of things. We should continue to do that. Touchy feely, depends on the way you define it, but I see it as someone getting in my personal space and touching me.....That's very different from someone not shaving their legs (Yes however the point was to highlight that there are many societal rules we follow while not everyone agree's with them, several of which are in place for similar reasons as shaving yet no large movement is on the horizon to highlight it, remember I'm not saying a woman has to shave, I simply am saying I'm not sure it's something to protest about and I don't think not-shaving is something to do purely to protest something, it is after-all a right you already have, the world will like it or not, why do they have to like it?) .*
So to put this in perspective.....

You came to the women's part of the health forum, to a question specifically asked of women, to give your opinion about what women should protest about in relation to women's bodies. Then when someone pointed out that you have not had the experience of living in a woman's body, so therefore don't get to tell them what to protest about, you get upset. On the women's side of the health forum, on a question specifically asked of women and not of men.
 

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So to put this in perspective.....

You came to the women's part of the health forum, to a question specifically asked of women, to give your opinion about what women should protest about in relation to women's bodies. Then when someone pointed out that you have not had the experience of living in a woman's body, so therefore don't get to tell them what to protest about, you get upset. On the women's side of the health forum, on a question specifically asked of women and not of men.
Not upset, merely discussing a subject raised for debate, but as my opinion, points and discussion is invalid on the basis that I'm a man I'll leave.
 

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@RiggerBoots I would suggest keeping your female-related issues to the Feminism thread, or any other thread that isn't under the 'Women's Health Issues' category...
Discussing a matter which I seen in the 'recent discussions' list is a sign of my female-related-issues now? Words fail me at this point but congratulations the combined effort on here has strengthened my views on feminists. On that note I shall say no more on it and I don't expect to read anymore condescending digs aimed at me on the matter.
 
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