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hey all i know fruit and veg is healthy but i have a few problems and my Dr keeps telling me that its from eating to many vegetables (not cooked or slighty steamed)<br><br>
i have jaundice and a slight thyrod prob, any how i eat about 20 serves or 1,500 grams of veggeis each day..........(mushrooms,spinich,brocc,cauli,capciu m,cabbage,ect)<br><br>
and about half that of fruit .......... does any one have a opion on this , i have had a eating disorder but am a close to healthy weight right now and miantain on what i eat , i eat all the other food groups to (just not dairy and meat) ........ opions would be great
 

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A few thoughts: fruits and vegetables are great, and eating lots is important. However, they offer very few calories and fill you up. If you are trying to gain weight, or even maintain your weight, eating 20+ servings a day is definitely not prudent. As well, produce is very high fiber, and eating so much of it could have negative impact on your digestive system (alot of fiber "helps things along" but too much can help TOO much, if that makes sense).<br><br>
I don't know about the jaundice and thyroid problems, but there is such thing as too much veggie and fruit. No matter how hard you try to eat from the "other" food groups, eating THAT much fresh food means it likely takes up too large a part of your daily food intake.
 

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misspickle is exactly right. if you are in recovery, you need to make sure you are getting the correct amounts of everything. it is very easy for fruits and veg to 'mask' that, because you think you are eating MUCH more than you are.<br><br>
issues such as a 'slight thyroid problem' might just be from lacking nutrients or being malnourished. maybe you could tell us what you typically eat in a day.
 

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Breakfast:<br><br>
30grams oats<br><br>
2-3 fruit<br><br>
80grams mixed beans<br><br><br><br>
Morning tea:<br><br>
25grams nuts<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Lunch:<br><br>
Large salad (mush,capcicum,carrot,onion,red cabbage,beanshoots,garlic,tomato,beetroot) w/1tsp oil<br><br>
Tofu(100g)<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Afternoon tea:<br><br>
25grams nuts<br><br>
Apple<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Dinner:<br><br>
potato(100g)<br><br>
80grams mixed bean<br><br>
Steamed veggies (brusslesprouts,cabbage,brocc,cauli,mush,zucc,pepp ers,onion,carrot,pumpkin,beans)<br><br><br><br>
Supper:<br><br>
Veggies sticks and dip<br><br>
what do you think?
 

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I think it's not too many at all - I would think that's normal. But other than oats, why aren't you eating any other grains?
 

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im really scarred of grains , when i think ive found a good one , i read somewhere like its processed or its hi GI or something , i eat beans that have carbs , some potato and pumpkin is it not enought carbs ?
 

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Hey Special <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br><br><br>
Just wanted to say- well done for being close to a healthy weight now, that is so wonderful and the result of much hard work and effort, well done!<br><br><br><br>
I think your plan looks quite normal but it does sound like a lot of veggies. I have a lot too, though- on a normal work day I have about 5 servings fruit and 5 servings vegetables (veg all raw as have Staff Room Phobia- I get nosy/rude comments on what I eat, so have learnt to keep away!)<br><br><br><br>
I have almost non-existent digestion (it has forgotten how, my N says) and I get terribly constipated if I don't have the fruit. I have the veg as is something I'm not scared of. Plus, I enjoy it. The carbohydrates and proteins in my plan are a big effort for me so I just stick to the minimum amounts I can get away with healthily right now and sneek them in hoping I won't notice, hide them under the vegetables!
 

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im really scarred of grains , when i think ive found a good one , i read somewhere like its processed or its hi GI or something , i eat beans that have carbs , some potato and pumpkin is it not enought carbs ?</div>
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All veggies and fruits have carbohydrates. Amaranth, brown rice, spelt, oats, wild rice, quinoa - those all have great GIs.
 

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Cruciferous vegetables, those in the cabbage family, including broccoli, brussels sprouts, and kale, may depress thyroid function, so maybe that's what your doctor had in mind.
 

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my diet isnt really balanced is it , i wish ild eat more grains <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Whoa... you get almost NO fat in that diet.... you really need fats for your brain, sweetie. I know you are in recovery, but please do add some olive oil and other fats like walnuts, flax or avocado to your diet. Start small - add the nuts/avocado/olive oil to your salad. Add the flax to your oats.<br><br><br><br>
Are you getting enough calcium/protein?
 

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hey specialk<br><br>
you are doing great by getting nearer to a healthy weight but i was wondering whether the fact your diet is largely fruit and veg makes it hard for you to socialise with other people or eat normally around them?<br><br>
i mean i know that everyone is entitled to eat what they want but wouldn't you maybe get a bit of pleasure from not being quite so limited in your diet?<br><br>
i know that it's hard but there must come a point in recovery where you not only want your physical health back but also your mental health and i just wonder how happy you are eating like you do?<br><br><br><br>
it's good to have fruit and vegetables but it's also good to have some rice with your beans or some quinoa or pasta...you can always opt for wholegrain versions wherever possible if that makes it any easier for you to push the boundaries?<br><br>
quinoa actually contains quite a bit of protein for a grain or whatever it is aswell...lol and bread isn't bad for you, especially if it's granary or seeded...<br><br>
i'm going on here i know, i just want to reassure you i suppose...and as you said yourself, your diet isn't really balanced...<br><br>
please try not to worry about the 'negative' effects of foods that you read about either because everything is ok in moderation. honestly.<br><br><br><br>
i hope you can find it in yourself to treat yourself kindly and not feel as if you have to live with this 'regime'...loosening your grip can sometimes be quite enjoyable and makes life a lot easier in the end...<br><br>
its gotta be your choice though i know and when you are ready i'm sure you will start to do what you want to do and not what you feel you should...<br><br>
i hope i haven't been too judgemental or come across in a horrible or imposing way, cause i really wish you all the luck and hope for the future <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rockon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rockon:"><br><br>
it is possible to live without this
 

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um.. No I wouldn't think that eating too many would be harmful<br><br>
with oyur thyroid problem the extra <i>calories</i> might be harmful to your <i>weight</i><br><br>
but other than that, I don't think so
 

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I wonder if it would work to translate your typical daily diet to calories (since apparently the number of calories you're currently eating is working for you) and then experiment from there. I don't know how that would work with your ED history, though. <i>If counting calories is the wrong thing for you to do with your ED history, please ignore this.</i> If, though, you can approximate calories and still not re-trigger your ED, this might be a way to experiment with your diet and see if you feel better and/or if your doctor is happier with your health.<br><br><br><br>
Let's say you're getting 1800 calories per day on your existing diet (a total stab in the dark at the number of calories - you can check at <a href="http://www.fitday.com" target="_blank">www.fitday.com</a> or calorieking.com). You might be able to re-arrange those 1800 calories to include more variety - maybe change your lunch for a veggie stir fry with tofu over brown rice or wild rice. Or stuff some of your salad into a whole wheat pita and have some baked tofu in it. So, you'd still be getting your veggies, but you'd have some variety and some more whole grains. The Food Pyramid recommends something like 6-8 servings of whole grains, so you can swap some of your calories this way and enhance your diet.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know much about jaundice, except that it has to do with liver function. If you need more iron, you may need to switch some of your current veggies for some leafy green vegetables, and have some of your beans be lentils. IIRC, the liver also handles fats. It looks like almost all of your fats are coming from nuts - do you need more variety there? Don't forget you can add some sauces (healthy salad dressings, or a Thai peanut dressing for your tofu) to get some fat.<br><br><br><br>
I also noticed that your diet seems particularly bland - no sugars (not even healthy ones), no sauces, no salsa for your baked potato. There's nothing wrong with that, as far as I know, but it would drive me bananas after a while.
 

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thanks so much for your care and replys i have tried to cut down 2 serves of vegetables and have inc. 1 slice of pumpkinikle bread ........... it is hard to go out because it also takes along time to make my food , so much chopping and al that and i do lack a bit of a social life because i feel like i NEED to eat this amount otherwise i will not be healthy (ive been feeling better but i think its more ive gained weight than im eating veggies) either way i am fearful to change anything because i like the new way i feel and look......... sorry for going on but i still must have a bit of Ed thinking and i know i need to change but its so hard sometimes i feel sick and know ive eating to much veg its hard on my digestion but i cant seem to break out<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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The first thought that popped into my head upon seeing your sample menu was "Where's the bread?". I just went vegetarian in the last few weeks, so I've been reading up on the nutritional recommendations from the experts, to make sure I stay healthy while making such a drastic change to my diet.<br><br><br><br>
I knew about the old "food pyramid" that they taught us in elementary school, but I was surprised to find out that there's now a vegetarian version. And the "base" of that pyramid, just like in the omnivore version, is grains. Here's what I'm talking about:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.vegsource.com/nutrition/pyramid.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/nutrition/pyramid.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://www.vegsource.com/food_groups.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/food_groups.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
Note that for their dairy section on that pyramid, other sources of calcium and vitamin D can be substituted. Calcium is found in many leafy greens, but vitamin D is pretty hard to come by on raw plants alone. Consider a supplement, fortified soy milk, etc to fulfill that requirement. Sunlight helps with vitamin D, too.<br><br><br><br>
I'm obviously no expert, but from everything I've read, the experts seem to agree on a couple of things: 1. Grains should make up the largest portion of anyone's diet, and 2. Too much of anything isn't good for you.<br><br><br><br>
Just my two cents worth...<br><br><br><br>
--Fromper<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/juggle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":juggle:">
 

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thanks so much for your care and replys i have tried to cut down 2 serves of vegetables and have inc. 1 slice of pumpkinikle bread ........... it is hard to go out because it also takes along time to make my food , so much chopping and al that and i do lack a bit of a social life because i feel like i NEED to eat this amount otherwise i will not be healthy (ive been feeling better but i think its more ive gained weight than im eating veggies) either way i am fearful to change anything because i like the new way i feel and look......... sorry for going on but i still must have a bit of Ed thinking and i know i need to change but its so hard sometimes i feel sick and know ive eating to much veg its hard on my digestion but i cant seem to break out<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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well done<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
just thinking about how hard it is to break out of old habits, how about trying to give yourself a small challenge everyday? that way you can keep making progress but still have the security of most things staying the same so its not so scary for you or feels out of control...just an idea....grasping at threads here....i understand you want to keep your improved health and that's great but i'm sure encorporating grains/bread/pasta into your diet won't do any harm at all (in fact you might feel even better!), so long as you are still eating a reasonable amount of fruit and veg as well (e.g the recommended daily allowance)<br><br>
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thanks everything is ........... i just need to ease my mind , for the last 3 nights i have cut down 2 serves at dinner and had my bread after dinner , its normally about 8:30 that i get around to eating my bread , is this a bad thing seeing i useually go stright to bed , and i keep hearing not to eat carbs at night but its the only time i seem brave enough???
 
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