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Anyone ever encountered a major anti-vegan attitude? Not just a not understanding your reasons or whatever, but totally having no respect for it at all and trying to totally, I don't know, disrespect it.<br><br><br><br>
Having been a vegetarian for a while, I never knew my brother had a problem with it. BTW, i am 15, he is almost 17, and normally pretty okay. Apart from a few "that's pathetic" remarks when i said I didn't eat chicken stock or gelatin, he's been pretty fine with it. Doesn't bother me, and I don't bother him.<br><br>
It's not like I walk around flaunting my veg*nism in his face and tell him off for eating meat or anything, so i don't know what his problem is, but the other day he walks in and says suddenly,<br><br><br><br>
"You're not going to become a vegan are you?"<br><br><br><br>
Me: "Yeah, eventually". I was then subjected to a half hour rant on why vegans are pathetic, greenie, tree higgin hippies who don't have a clue about what they're talking about. Then he asks, "gimme one good reason to go vegan"<br><br>
And I of course said something about health, and then animals.<br><br>
THEN I got a big rant on how animals are treated just damn dandy and are never subjected to any pain or suffering at all while they're eing turned into meat, because if there was any cruelty going on, RSPCA would storm in and shut the place down.<br><br><br><br>
Then he admits that battery hens are treated cruelly, but it doesn't matter because "that's different, they're not animals."<br><br>
Five seconds later, i confront him with that and he says, yeah they're animals, but its different, and besides, all the cows and pigs and stuff are treated just great!<br><br><br><br>
Yeah freakin right!!<br><br><br><br>
GrRRRRR. I was so mad. I told him there's pictures, videos, stories. He reckons that all the pictures and stories are made up (the photos are computerised) by greenie hippie losers.<br><br><br><br>
Grr.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":mad:">
 

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Sounds like somebody is in major denial.<br><br><br><br>
If there was ever a case of someone being defensive bc they are uncomfortable with the truth, this is it.<br><br><br><br>
What I don't get are these websites teenage boys make making fun of veg*ns, not compelling critiques of AR, just nonsense.<br><br><br><br>
And what is even more pathetic are all the anti-veg*n discussion forums with like 3 posts. What can you really say except, "Mmm meat is good," "vegans are stupid". Gets old pretty fast.
 

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A guy that i fancy has a big thing against my veganism, he always makes fun of me and actually gets angry about it.<br><br><br><br>
It's really starting to put me off him!
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>originally posted by Gnarly</i><br><br><b>Then he asks, "gimme one good reason to go vegan"</b></div>
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With someone this closed-minded and aggressive, I think I would just say, "I really don't feel a need to justify myself to you." And maybe add, "Geez, why are <i>you</i> so uptight about it? No one's stopping you from having your steak."<br><br><br><br>
Thank goodness I've never had to deal with anything like that!
 

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I have this excellent knack. I can shout "SILENCE!" extremely loudly. If I was confronted, I would pretty much shout for quiet during their rant, if it was one-way communication.<br><br><br><br>
I would then calmly explain that I don't preach, and that they can return the favour by not preaching to them.<br><br><br><br>
I know it's an agressive way to argue, to loudly disrupt their one-way conversation to break some sens ein, but it is how I work.
 

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You know, I had the same type of thing happen to me when my husband and I went vegan. We had been vegetarians for a long time, and all of our friends knew and respected it. We had *no* problems. Then when we turned vegan, everything changed. It's like we dyed our skin purple or something; people treated us differently. People started picking dumb fights like "so what would happen to all the cows we have now if everyone went vegan? Hmm? I thought so! You are so wrong for thinking that cows have rights!" and stuff like that. These were people who I knew and trusted, and they were acting like we were in the 5th grade or something. Really strange.<br><br><br><br>
But now that they are used to us being vegans, having answers to their (sometimes stupid) questions, and not being mad at them for choosing their own paths, things have clamed down a great deal. I think the biggest part of the problem is that my friends who are omni's feel intimidated and threatened by me going "all the way" and turning vegan... it scares them a little that someone has the courage to do what most of us deep down think is right, and so they get really defensive and pushy. I don't get angry at them tho, and I think that helps alot.... it's OK with me. I understand, and maybe I would feel defensive if I were in their position.<br><br><br><br>
Anyhoo, that is my deep psych evaluation for today, class is dismissed! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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If I were you, when he starts running his mouth, I'd just completely ignore him. He keeps ragging on you to get a reaction. Some people just like to argue, especially when they feel threatened. And that's probably how he feels, HE is probably insecure with his decision to eat meat, so he is trying to make YOU feel the same way about your veg*nism. Don't let him do that to you. Just ignore him. People don't like to argue with themselves... Well, some do, but they have special places for those people. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/cool3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":cool:">
 

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I've had people make stupid comments to me, but never anything mean or aggressive. I don't know how I'd handle that. I probably wouldn't be their friend anymore, but then I don't tolerate much from people.
 

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There's plenty of anti-vegan people out there on the web. Take a look around. It's always more difficult when it's family, though. They'll come around, eventually. Hang in there.
 

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sounds like he's being defensive. it's better to just ignore him, cause if you say anything he'll be even more defensive. eventually he'll get used to it and he'll see that vegans are just normal people like his sister <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I used to not be very outveganish, but recently, after realizing that other people could be evil to me, I started to call anyhtign with meat in it as "choc-full of death" or "death". IT does not work, though, as the response one time was "mooo!"
 

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Anti-vegans can be so annoying. I went on a field trip in March and it was just 4 kids in a car with my teacher, driving through a rural area for hours and hours. One of the kids was extremely intolerant of my veganism and would never give me a chance to explain exactly WHY I was one, and what actually happened. The type who screams things like, "Well that's just stupid. You're wrong." And won't let anything get to him no matter what. So the whole trip, we'd pass dairy cows grazing and he'd say, "Look, Cassie, they're being tortured!!!" EESH! Drove me nuts, he did. Even worse when I was sitting right next to him, hed start nudging me everytime he saw a farm coming up (like...every two minutes out there). It's a shame he's such a jerk when it comes to my veganism, because he's really a cool kid otherwise, and I've even hung out with him a few times. But he's so intolerant about my veganism. He even sad there with a Big Mac during one part in the trip and I didn't say a word (though I was totally naseaous {sp?}). I'd hope I could expect the same from him... I didn't let it bother me, though. I just ignored him--and my teacher backed me anways. She was really cool in that aspect.<br><br><br><br>
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Ah. Anti-veg*n reminds me of one of my friends. Normally we're on good terms, we have totally different views on most subjects, but we try to avoid them. Anyways, so, we were having lunch one day and they were serving pasta with red (meat) sauce. I asked for no sauce, and they gave it to me anyways. I asked for a different tray, but they wouldn't let me. So I scowled at my tray and got a salad I could actually eat. So I sit down at the table and offer my pasta/sauce to my friends, free of charge. And she goes into this whole "Well why won't you eat it? Just pick the meat off! Eat it, it won't kill you!" So I said no, of course, and one of my other friends took it while I happily munched on my salad. Of course, she had to roll her eyes at me and sigh loudly. So, I went to put my dish back, and I knew she was going to make some smartass remark once I left, which she did. I talked to one of my other friends who was there during the next period, and she said that the other one just shoved a piece of turkey into her pineapple, put on a really high-fakey voice and started saying "Oh no, help me! There's a piece of meat in my pineapple! For Heaven's sake, I can't eat this!" and then proceeded to roll her eyes even more. So the next day I didn't speak to her, and she asked me why I was mad at her, so I responded the same as always, with "Well, what have you done in the past day that could have ticked me off?". So, she says "Nothing! But if you're still on about that meat, just get over it, it's pathetic. You're not going to help anything by not eating it, someone else will." As you can guess, that was the last straw. It was before first period, and we were in class waiting for the news to start, so I started yelling at her. The basic jist of it was "I can too make a difference, any little thing does! You tell me that by helping with all these church things you make a difference to poor people, and you do a lot less than I do with my diet! I don't really know where you come into my eating habits, and why you care ... it's not really your business, is it? I don't force my opinions on you, and I'd appreciate the same back!" Yeah, I yelled (or more so assertively said) that when the whole class and teacher were in there. People hence did not argue with me (for a few days). Ish. She made me so mad.
 

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Well I love the people who don't understand that if the ingredients on a package read "chicken or beef stock or fat" why I won't eat it. They always say "It's not meat" These poor sad little people.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I hope you aren't still friends with these rude people.<br><br>
I'd rather have no friends than put up with that kind of disrespect.
 

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I've been lucky. A few people at school thought I was a litte"eccentric" for being veggie, but I never had any nasty comments, and since then the only things I have had to put up with are the the "it is only chicken flavouring" or "can't you pick it off?" comments.<br><br>
I really believe that most people aren't intentionaly rude, but sadly there are some that need a cattle prod ramming where the sun doesn't shine.<br><br>
It is tough when it is your family though. My gran used to be very anti-veg*n but she has softened.<br><br>
Just try and ignore it because when people are determined not to agree with you, it doesn't matter what info you give to them, they won't listen to it.
 

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I've pretty much accepted that everytime I go out with my friends to a pub or restaurant they will start attacking me for being vegan. I then attack them for being heartless, selfish and stupid.<br><br><br><br>
"Dan, do you hate yourself because you're made of meat?"<br><br><br><br>
Do you hate yourself because you're retarded?<br><br><br><br>
"How can you drive a car? Gasoline comes from dead animals."<br><br><br><br>
How can you say something so moronic? Have you not been listening to anything I said?<br><br><br><br>
People love to hate veg*ns because they are scared to admit we are right.
 

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After a couple more generations, the anti-veganists will be like the secessionists. Rare, but still loud and unpleasant! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)">
 

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I owuldn't suggest attacking people back. If someone's being rude, I would shout to break their ranting, and proceed in a civilised manner.<br><br><br><br>
But to be honest, I think the best thing to do is ask for friends to respect your decision. If they won't respect it, then you can always say "Will you please give my dietary choices some respect? I am morally opposed to your dietary decisions, and I can find it in my heart to respect them, so it's not a huge challenge for you to simply respect mine."<br><br><br><br>
Or something like that.
 
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