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So...I have panic disorder. It's pretty bad, and I talk on an anxiety disorder support forum from time to time. Recently I made a post on that forum about how my anxiety has gotten worse and worse since I switched to a healthy lifestyle (that happens to be vegetarian). I'm not SURE that my heightened anxiety has anything to do with eating healthy. After all, I did experience several traumatic and/or life-altering things about the same time I decided to switch to a healthy lifestyle. I just wanted to explore the coorelation between health and anxiety and see if anyone else has had similar effects or ideas. I wanted some support.<br><br><br><br>
Well this guy gets on and and basically spews the same ignorant BS that we hear all the time from people. He attacks me for being a vegetarian and tells me condescendingly, "You know, it's really not that healthy at all to be eating only leaves".<br><br><br><br>
I reply with a LONG post full of information about nutrition and common misconceptions about the vegetarian diet, and basically assure him that while it's quite possible for a vegetarian to be unhealthy, I myself am not.<br><br><br><br>
He just attacks me again, and says, "Well obviously your lifestyle isn't working for you, whatever" and some more nasty things.<br><br><br><br>
This makes me sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I go to that forum for <i>support</i>, not to be attacked with hostile ignorance. Now I'm afraid to go there, or afraid to talk about my personal life because someone is going to tell me that it's wrong.<br><br><br><br>
Just wanted to b*tch to my veggie friends. Thanks.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I'm sorry to hear that. People can be really cruel when they're ignorant and closeminded to other peoples' different lifestyles.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know a lot about panic disorders, espeically not really severe cases, but I have mild anxiety also. Won't go into the details, but I get really anxious when I'm in uncomfortable situations, including when I feel disrespected or threatened about my diet.<br><br><br><br>
Like I said, I don't know that much about panic/anxiety disorders, but I really don't think it's your new diet that's causing your disorder to worsen. It's very likely that, like in my situation, you just get very uncomfortable when you feel like you have to constantly watch what you say and do around people who don't understand your diet. Maybe you're just much more aware of your diet now that you're vegetarian, and so much more aware right off the bat of the judgemental stares and comments, etc. because of it?<br><br><br><br>
Wish I had better advice to offer. That's the only thing I can figure might be the problem... Good luck! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Don't stay on forums that make you unhappy. If this guy picks on you about your diet, leave that board. It will only make you more anxious to get that kind of crap from people. I know, having these problems myself.<br><br><br><br>
Did you report this guy to the mods?
 

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I have a mild anxiety disorder that has let twice to irritable bowel syndrome. I have actually felt better since becoming vegetarian. In my opinion, without knowing more specifics about you, you probably would be feeling worse if you were still eating meat. I am sorry that you had to read such hostile things when you thought you were at a place that would offer support. That is the thing about message boards though. Since it is anonymous, people can feel like they can say anything and sometimes it ends up coming across pretty cruel. Of course support groups in person can be that way too. I go to Navy spouse support group meetings from time to time which can also be disappointing. I have come to realize that it is important to grow a thicker skin and just focus on the positive aspects that can be derived from these support situations. Good luck and stay strong.
 

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*waves* 'morning...(well here at least)<br><br>
I'm really sorry you had to deal with behaviour like that. While it is highly likely he was being a prick, perhaps his attitude linked to his own anxiety.. (I'm not trying to defend him btw). *hug*<br><br><br><br>
I suffer from severe anxiety and have regular panic attacks so I can empathise on that front.. but I can't really comment on your problem getting worse.. I didn't notice my own get worse when I went veggie,..but that was 11 years ago.<br><br><br><br>
What I would say though is perhaps the switch is exacerbating the problem - are you very worried about sticking to veg*nism? Are you stressed or putting pressure on yourself to be 'perfect' and avoid all the possible pitfalls?<br><br>
If so, maybe that is part of the problem... that you are under an increased amount of stress, and it just happens to be veg*nism that is one of othe biggest changes your going through at the moment.<br><br><br><br>
I know that being aware of what the current triggers are doesn't always help, particularly if it is something you want to do....like veg*nism, a new job or course etc, but it might help in terms of keeping things in perspective - that the anxiety will fade again and that you can possibly do things to ease the situation by taking a step back from certain commitments, and also removing yourself from triggering situations.
 

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I'd block him or something like that...if you can do that..Attack is the opposite of support. If he can't be open minded and supportive, you don't want to talk to him anyhow.<br><br><br><br>
I think that people with bad anxiety disorders can also have anger issues too...I think that is what this guy has. Probably trying to make up for his own insecurities (his diet is probably not healthy at all)<br><br><br><br>
I am a total Type A personality myself. I am, in my normal state, relatively anxious and a total worry wart. I try to 'mellow-out' but it is hard for me to do. I always have to go at a faster speed and be busy. In fact, if I try to slow down, I turn into a slug. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D"><br><br><br><br>
Who isn't a little anxious in the world today? People who say they never get stressed out or anxious are fooling themselves.<br><br><br><br>
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That's kinda funny actually because I'm in a similar situation. I have CFS and so I laugh as I talk to my friend and explain to her how I can't really tell anyone how healthy veg*nism is because of my illness. But I went on a CFS site and sent messages to 15 people telling them that I'm looking for veg*n people with CFS and only one of them responded and she wasn't veg*n -- obviously a lot of people who aren't veg*n have CFS. Did you ask him if eating meat causes his anxiety -- maybe the toxins built up over the years and finally did him in, lol. Obviously his lifestyle isn't working for him. People who don't like veg*ns will always point to their diet if something goes wrong healthwise.<br><br><br><br>
As far as your anxiety goes, I have to suggest this book: It's called <i>Hope and Help for your Nerves</i> and it's by Dr. Claire Weekes. She also wrote one called <i>Peace from Nervous Suffering</i>. I've read the first one and it's the best book on anxiety I've ever read and it was written like 30 years ago or something. Dr. Weekes also had panic/anxiety attacks so she knows all about them and she goes into amazing detail of exactly how it feels. I highly suggest you look for this book. I did a google search on it once and there are online book stores that have it.<br><br><br><br>
You'll run into knuckleheads like this all over and when people are acting like this it is usually a sign of defensiveness. Imagine, your diet is not contributing to the needless torture, death and mutilation of animals. His diet is. I can understand him wanting to discredit that step towards peace that you have taken.
 

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Having an anxiety disorder isn't the same as being a "worry wart" but, ok...</div>
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Well, I never said it was...but yes, it actually is a part of anxiety disorder.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.byu.edu/ccc/counseling/anxiety.php" target="_blank">http://www.byu.edu/ccc/counseling/anxiety.php</a>
 

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I think that poster was beyond rude. Would he dress down a person with religious dietary restrictions for their "bad health" practices? I think a lot of people are totally ignorant when it comes to food. They are Only Molecules in the long run. A protien molecule is the same no matter where you get it.<br><br><br><br>
I dont think you should suffer or have to give up the site you found-- it is hard enough to find a good message board or chat site. I think blocking him as a good idea-- but I think that becoming a bit more thick-skinned may help more in the long run. There will always be some jerk out there who will attack you, for your diet, or your clothes, or your interests. There is always some eejut who will tell you you are not good enough and make it known to the world. He gives you the opening to spread some good information to others about vegitarianism. I think if I were in your situation (and this is what sort of wicked beast I am) I would continue the conversation with him, and keep pasting in good links and good information so that all the other posters can find out more about veg*nism. Toot your own horn and advertise proudly--
 

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He gives you the opening to spread some good information to others about vegitarianism. I think if I were in your situation (and this is what sort of wicked beast I am) I would continue the conversation with him, and keep pasting in good links and good information so that all the other posters can find out more about veg*nism. Toot your own horn and advertise proudly--</div>
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That's a great idea, Gita. You could just go along with the conversation and point out how the ADA says that the vegetarian, including vegan, diet is healthy. Ask him why they would say:<br><br><br><br><span style="color:#0000FF;">It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Approximately 2.5% of adults in the United States and 4% of adults in Canada follow vegetarian diets.<br><br><br><br>
A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat, fish, or fowl. Interest in vegetarianism appears to be increasing, with many restaurants and college foodservices offering vegetarian meals routinely. Substantial growth in sales of foods attractive to vegetarians has occurred, and these foods appear in many supermarkets. This position paper reviews the current scientific data related to key nutrients for vegetarians, including protein, iron, zinc, calcium, vitamin D, riboflavin, vitamin B-12, vitamin A, n-3 fatty acids, and iodine.<br><br><br><br>
A vegetarian, including vegan, diet can meet current recommendations for all of these nutrients. In some cases, use of fortified foods or supplements can be helpful in meeting recommendations for individual nutrients. Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence.</span><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm" target="_blank">http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg...3_ENU_HTML.htm</a><br><br><br><br>
And then explain to him that seeing as the diet is healthy and seeing as you love animals it just doesn't make sense for you to cause animals to suffer and die needlessly. You could have a lot of fun with it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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yuck. what a jerk. what a meanie. i'm sorry you had to put up with that. maybe he was trying to trigger you? if so, he totally doesn't belong on a support forum...<br><br><br><br>
i know from reading some other posts of yours that you know tons about nutrition, but i thought i'd mention that during my first attempt at veg*nism i had *terrible* panic attacks, by far the worst i've had during any one period of my life. i discovered after the fact that low blood sugar was the culprit. you might want to make sure you're not eating too many high glycemic index foods on their own. i know it's not hard getting enough protein *overall* with a veg*n diet, but for some people, myself included, it can be a little trickier to get enough at any given meal to keep the blood sugar relatively stable. this time around i include a major protein source *every* time i eat, even if it means bringing my own little cup of peanut butter to have with my oatmeal, dry toast & fruit cup when we have breakfast out. and if i try my best but fail & feel an attack coming on, i eat a *tiny* bit of sugar (not too much, or you'll just rebound shortly).<br><br><br><br>
don't know if this will help you or not....panic attacks are complex beasties. good luck! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/penguin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":nigel:">
 

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Well, I never said it was...but yes, it actually is a part of anxiety disorder.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.byu.edu/ccc/counseling/anxiety.php" target="_blank">http://www.byu.edu/ccc/counseling/anxiety.php</a></div>
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Oh stop it. Worrying is part of anxiety disorder but being a worry wart isn't the SAME as having an anxiety disorder.<br><br><br><br>
Don't direct me to websites about a disorder which I have lived with myself for years.<br><br><br><br>
Man, I just hate that. Really. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rifle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":gun:"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/whack.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":whack:"> Geez.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rockon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rockon:"> what she said. like when people tell you about the 'anxiety attack' they had & it turns out there were feeling kinda nervous for a bit. a real panic attack feels like death, plain and simple. (though i'm sure somewhere there's a dead person out there thinking 'no, no, it's not the same at all...' <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p"> )
 

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Just ignore the troll.<br><br><br><br>
Sometimes changing to a positive lifestyle can be anxiety provoking. Change can do this, even positive change. Sometimes we're so set in our unhealthy ways it's comfortable, even though we're miserable with it. Then suddenly we loose our crutch of unhealthiness and fasce the world with a little bit of the old defense mechanisms, if I'm making any sense at all.
 

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I'm sorry that guy was so mean. He's an insesitive (I know I spelled that wrong) ******* and clearly not worth your time so if this bugger harasses (I think I spelled that wrong too, man I'm on a roll tonight) you again punch him extra hard for me (kidding) feel better and don't let him get to you!
 

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Does this board help you at all? If so, its not worth leaving because of some jerk! I hope you report him, make the mods see that it made you upset, dont let them just toss it aside! Most message boards have a block user button, which will be helpful if you can't get him banned! I dont know much about these disorders (ok nothing at all) so I hope im not offending anyone when I say just try not to let him get to you, hes probably just a troll there to get a rise out of people! Just think about what a pathetic life he must have to spend his time trying to bother others, it might make you smile!
 

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Thank you SO MUCH everyone for your kind words. This really helps very much. I knew I could count on you guys. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":hug:"><br><br><br><br>
The guy only had 25 posts, so I went back and read through all of them. Apparently his long term girlfriend just broke up with him a few months ago and this has greatly exacerbated his anxiety...all the rests of his posts were about B vitamins and multivitamin supplements. He didn't appear to be especially ignorant about them, just was talking about how taking a B complex really helps his anxiety. So he's not some evil troll. I guess he's just had a bad experience with vegetarians and now feels that all of them are the same.<br><br><br><br>
Actually, in his second reply to me, he said, "I may not know a lot about vegetarian nutrition, but I have known vegetarians and they all felt like garbage on it". So I'm almost 100% sure that he's judging me based on some very limited past experiences.<br><br><br><br>
The more I think about it, I really should not have put this post up in the forum at all. Because when I look at it logically, my worsened anxiety has nothing to do with not eating meat. Within a 5 month radius of becoming veg, my dad almost died in a serious car accident and his face was permanently disfigured, the Gulf Coast hurricanes happened and changed my life, and I got engaged to be married. Then on top of all that I make a HUGE shift in the way I eat and live.<br><br><br><br>
That's enough to bring out the worst in anyone.<br><br><br><br>
As far as being a worry wart vs. having an anxiety disorder...I just wanted to comment on that real fast because I find the concept interesting. I have NEVER had any type of anxiety at all my entire life, except panic attacks. On the contrary, I'm actually a personality type who cares very little about most things and is always the one who tells everyone else to relax. Not only do I not feel over-driven to succeed and keep myself busy 24/7, but it's actually <i>difficult</i> for me to stay motivated and active.<br><br><br><br>
And then once or twice a year, I'd have these terrible panic attacks. The first one I had I didn't realize it was a panic attack. I woke up in the middle of the night SURE that I was going to vomit (I never had before). I ran to my mom's room screaming that I was going to throw up. She has disorders too and gave me a Klonopin and I fell asleep. I didn't have another attack until several years later, shortly after I got engaged. I was lying down about to fall asleep when all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I became absolutely <b>sure</b> that I was going to die in a few minutes. I just felt physically and mentally like I was <i>slipping</i>. I called my fiance to come home from work and started walking to the emergency room, calling everyone I love and telling them goodbye, screaming and passing out and wetting myself, banging on the neighbors' doors at 3 am and begging them to help me.<br><br><br><br>
These started happening more and more frequently and I was terrified because I thought I was going insane. I thought I had some sort of brain tumor or degenerative nerve disease. If I ever had anxiety or worried about anything, I might have suspected that it was an anxiety disorder. But I didn't worry about a thing ever, I just randomly had attacks of insanity.<br><br><br><br>
Eventually the attacks got so frequent that I went to see a therapist who diagnosed me with panic disorder. She explained to me that I DO have anxiety, I just manifest it in panic attacks instead of worrying, pacing, tapping my feet, staying busy, etc. It's still really hard for me to do my therapy though because I can't identify with most of the anxiety symptoms, just panic attacks.<br><br><br><br>
I don't have a worrysome personality, I have a very relaxed personality...I just have a disorder. In my case, I think the difference is very clear.<br><br><br><br>
Once again, thank you sooooo much for all of your inspiration and support everyone. I think I will quote some of what you all said to the guy.
 

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like when people tell you about the 'anxiety attack' they had & it turns out there were feeling kinda nervous for a bit. a real panic attack feels like death, plain and simple.</div>
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Yeah they do feel like death, and they don't go away for like 45 minutes, no matter how hard I try. Mine usually come in the form of me not being able to breath properly, so I feel as if my body is crushing my lungs, which leads to more hyperventilating. Luckily, my friends have been supportive of me, and I can sort of keep them under control.<br><br><br><br>
Where is this message board? I would really like to check it out, see if it can help.....just as long as I don't meet guys like that one.....
 
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