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What does everyone think about anti-depressants?<br><br><br><br>
I've been on one for the past week and I hate the idea of taking them. Usually the medication I took was short term for an infection and for pain. I see the anti-depressants as being long term. I have a history of depression and it took three years to get off anti-depressants last time. I actually removed myself from them without doctor consent because he wouldn't.
 

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Prozac etc good- everything else I wouldn't take for more than a day or two. Loads of people on this board are on/have been on anti depressants. Happy and on pills is better than unhappy and not on them. Meanwhile, work out if you can cure your depression's cause by therapy or whatever. I can't with mine, so I've moved on and learned to love my happypills. That's my opinion anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I have taken them and am now on them. I have learned it is very important to be insistent with a doctor about any negative side effects that bother you or are effecting your life. The side effects can sometimes be worse thant the depression and the dr. won't know if you don't tell them.<br><br><br><br>
Here is a forum I find to be very helpful in getting first hand info on anti-depressants:<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.depressionforums.com" target="_blank">www.depressionforums.com</a><br><br><br><br>
I guess what is important to get a doctor you are confident will listen to you and your concerns. Many people have to go through a lot of dr.'s before they find one they like. (same for therapists)<br><br><br><br>
Of course there are all kinds of natural therapies for depression, but the catch-22 is if you are too depressed, you won't do them.<br><br><br><br>
I have found that daily vitamins help me somewhat: 500-1000 mg of vit C, time released mixed Vit B, 600mg of Calcium, (plus others not for depression). I also take DHA, which could help, but I haven't noticed anything. And of course make sure there aren't any other physical problems contributing to your depression.<br><br><br><br>
Overall, it's different for everyone, no one should take them no quesiton or automatically rule them out. Just make an informed decision.
 

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I've been suffering from depression since I was 9, it runs in the family. It comes in bouts, about 4 times a year, for about a month each time. Sometimes more, sometimes less.<br><br><br><br>
A couple of years ago, my doctor prescribed Wellbutrin. I was on it for over a year, but it didn't do anything, I don't know, maybe the dosage wasn't high enough.<br><br><br><br>
I don't like the idea of taking more medication (I'm already on 4 for other problems) and I don't plan on taking anti-depressants again. I think maybe therapy would be better, and I notice when I exercise regularly, I feel better. But I agree with what Thalia said. It's different for everyone.
 

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I have never taken anti depressants. I dont understand how they are supposed to help you. The drugs dont take away the problems in your life. My mom wanted me to see a counselor because I get really angry sometimes. Well I have a chronic disease (it doesnt go away). I have had it for a long time and thats why i get angry because its always on my mind even when i try to ignore it, then I take out my anger on my mom or my sister. and i regret that.<br><br><br><br>
My advice to you is this. If the anti depressants help you then take them. If you dont like them and dont want to take them then find someone to talk to. Its no fun feeling sad all the time. I think maybe you should find someone to talk to that can help you work through any problems in your life. ( like a counselor or maybe a close friend?) Dont suffer in silence!! I hope that you get to feeling better!<br><br><br><br>
Edited to add: Also dont bottle things up inside. When I am angry I go for a jog because I feel like I can run away from everything and I feel better afterwards. That and writing. or talking to someone helps ok.<br><br><br><br>
I hope i have given you some good advice.
 

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LC, it is believed that depression is caused by an imbalance of chemicals in the brain, in particular serotonin. What anti-depressants are supposed to do is correct this imbalance.<br><br><br><br>
But you are right, they don't take away the problems in your life. That's why most doctors recommend therapy along with taking the drugs.<br><br><br><br>
But I think there is a difference between feeling bad over the problems in your life, and feeling bad because of a chemical imbalance. Take me for example. I do have a lot of emotional problems thanks to my less than happy childhood. These I can now recognize and am trying to deal with. Like, if I am feeling ugly, I remind myself that I only feel this way because my mother told me I was ugly while I was growing up. For cases like this, I can usually "think" my way out of it. But the problem with depression is, a lot of the times, you don't even know why you are upset. When I get a really bad bout, I cannot even force myself out of bed. No matter how hard I try, I can't just make myself stop feeling bad.<br><br><br><br>
What I am trying to do now is recognize my triggers, that is, what sets off one of my bouts. Or at least to recognize the signs leading up to a bad spell. Once I can do that, maybe I can start changing certain variables in my life, like increase my activity levels to try and stop it before it gets too bad.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know if any of this makes sense. Just my ramblings, feel free to ignore <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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I find myself getting even more depressed with taking anti-depressants. I can just see the animals being tortured to test these drugs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I feel even worse cause it will probably be long term. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I know they test them on people but I'm not sure about animals. I wish they didn't. I take antidepressants, too, because I have chornic depression and chronic anxiety disorder. I've gone without the drugs at times and felt okay and then was overwhelmed with symptoms again. Changing some things in my life helped the most. Exercise is good, too. Self-talk is good, too, like counteracting negative thoughts about oneself or one's life. Even getting Cognitive Behavioral Therapy books or tapes can help, too. The library has lots of them.
 

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I've never taken anti-depressents. I don't think I've ever really needed them, thankfully. There are plenty of days, though, where I wish I had my own personal therapist. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
While I feel like our socieity, especially our youth, are totally over-medicated, I do believe that there is value in anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medication. I am a social worker, and I often see where certain medications at the correct dosage effectively help a person fuction optimally.<br><br><br><br>
I think it's important that medication be just a small <i>part</i> of addressing a problem, however, and that any sort of mental illness be approached in a holistic fashion. I agree with SilverC above in that therapy and medication should go hand in hand. Popping a pill every day isn't going to remedy anything. Group support, individual counseling, and lots of education should accompany medication.<br><br><br><br>
Still, though, I think doctors are too quick to prescribe A-D and A-A meds. As though a "quick-fix prescription" is going to make everything peachy.<br><br><br><br>
I still can't get over how many young people and old people are on these types of medications. I work with the elderly, and so many of them are on A-D meds. Sure, they're depressed! They've outlived spouses and relatives and friends! They're lonely! Their body is slowing down. They need comfort and socialization, not a pill. Grrr.
 

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apple it's most important to find out what the direct cause of the depression is, before you know how to treat it. if it is a chemical imbalance, then drugs are the way to go, combined with diet and maybe therapy. but if it's not chemical, but some other physical or emotional problem, you may just be doing more bad than good by taking unnecessary meds. i'd suggest staying on it til you know for sure, cause going on and off meds too quickly is dangerous.<br><br><br><br>
things to try: therapy, see a holistic healer, try meditation and relaxation techniques to clear your mind so you can explore what's causing your problem without the emotional distractions. you can do guided meditation with a healer if you're not sure how to go about it, and it may help to have them there to talk through things cause you may forget afterwards. support groups are also good cause you get to be around people with similar feelings and problems you can talk to. talking to someone you can trust helps you open up and sometimes discuss things you didn't even realize were effecting you.
 

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If you do end up taking them, be sure to get them from a psychiatrist and not a family physician. And be sure to do a lot of research on different medications and other people's experiences. Often common side effects don't get documented until years after patients start complaining.<br><br><br><br>
I would also be careful about a doctor who is too eager to cure side effects with more pills. that just makes it harder to know what is your illness and what is another side effect and what drug is causing it. I know of people who after years with one of these dr.'s ends up on a daily regime of 3 o4 different meds and who knows what is causing what anymore.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Thalia</i><br><br><b>If you do end up taking them, be sure to get them from a psychiatrist and not a family physician.</b></div>
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I use to get my anti-depressants from a therapist (I think) my physician put me back on the same ones.
 

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I hate anti-depressants for several reasons.<br><br><br><br>
A) I was forced to take prozac, zoloft, and a handful of others when I was a teenager so I know the affect they had on me - they made me numb, a zombie, unable to think for myself.<br><br><br><br>
B) Doctors are on the take from the pharmaceutical companies. The corporations bribe them and do other things to "encourage" the doctors to prescribe their drugs. It's quite frivolous, to the point where doctors just hand our prescriptions for the same drug to any number of problems that are completely unrelated.<br><br><br><br>
C) The side affects are awful.<br><br><br><br>
D) The drugs are unnatural and make you into someone you're not - rather than trying to medicate problems away, people should accept who they are (through ups and downs), and love themselves for who they are. The central problem with depression is that it makes you hate yourself. Drugs only reinforce this by saying you have a "disorder", a "disease", you need to take this drug which will make you more "normal."<br><br><br><br>
E) The Eli Lilly suicides:<br><br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22lilly+suicides%22" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ly+suicides%22</a><br><br><br><br>
F) Lazy doctors and parents are conned into thinking all they need to do is shove some drug down their kids' throat and all is well, which can lead to horrible consequences as warning signs are ignored.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Apple</i><br><br><b>I use to get my anti-depressants from a therapist (I think) my physician put me back on the same ones.</b></div>
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For many of the reasons Mera'din gave, it is important that the person prescribing to you has very good knowledge and exerpience, and not a cavalier atttitude about handing out drugs. Many psychiatrists even, are irresponsible. Find someone who starts on very low doses, asks you about side effects, and who wants to keep in touch with you. And on the side of the patients, it is important to be knowledgable about the drugs, take them properly, and call the doctor about any side effects or problems you may have. Most people have to try several different drugs before finding one right for them, so you have to speak up if you don't like it. Or try going to talk therapy more often instead.<br><br><br><br>
Mera'din: I agree with just about everything you said, and it was really wrong to make you take drugs and not even try to monitor its effects on you. But I do disagree with:<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">D) The drugs are unnatural and make you into someone you're not - rather than trying to medicate problems away, people should accept who they are (through ups and downs), and love themselves for who they are. The central problem with depression is that it makes you hate yourself. Drugs only reinforce this by saying you have a "disorder", a "disease", you need to take this drug which will make you more "normal."</div>
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Yes, being on the wrong drugs or too much can definitely cause personality change for the worse in people. But people with moderate to severe depression will tell you that the depression, not the correct drugs keeps them from being who they really are. It is a disease, to say otherwise is to imply that people with severe problems need to just pull themselves up by they bootstraps. I have found in the past that when I am on the <i>correct drug and dosage</i> that I am much more the person I truly am.<br><br><br><br>
Yes, for mild depression, gaining self esteem will help wonders. Thats' a good thing for everyone. And cognitive and behavioral therapy can be just as beneficial as drugs for most people. But please don't dismiss those with severe, chronic depression, often with a strong genetic component as people who just need to "love themselves" and "accept who they are (through ups and downs)".
 

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This is a very interesting thread. I have always been anti pill solution for anything.<br><br>
I believe used over the long haul it creates the crippling effect of reinforcing peoples belief that there is something fundamental wrong with them. Having said that, I wouldn't want to leave anyone in a black hole because they can't get out on their own.<br><br>
I have seen antidepressants used on a short term bases help people refocus their energy, and enable them to take the necessary steps to change their lives. When it helps people gather the courage to confront their demons, and find self forgiveness and purpose it can work. Kind of like training wheels, they give you an idea of what's like to move forward on a bike. Yet, to truly know balance, you have to remove them at some point, and trust yourself.<br><br>
People like to argue that it's brain chemistry and beyond the individuals control, but it's well documented that what you think and believe changes your brain chemistry. Hormones are released to support your every thought. It is the beginning of how we bring the mental into the physical. So how much of this nueropharmacology is putting the cart before the horse?<br><br>
I totally recognize the awesome challenge in sorting out the deep seeded, ugly beliefs adopted in a bad childhood, or other traumatic events in our lives. That's why I would never tell anyone they shouldn't grab on to any lifesaver the can find, but I would strongly encourage people not to remain passive, and use it as a tool to start kicking towards shore.<br><br>
If I could, I would give all of you a big, warm hug, and promise you that you can trancend your grief. I know it's not easy to believe, but it's your birthright to know what it is to be content.
 

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Thalia - I have to respectfully disagree. I've suffered from depression my entire life. My best friend thru half my life was a severe bipolar (who I also got to observe thrown on a variety of drugs, and got to observe off of drugs).<br><br><br><br>
He finally stopped taking the lithium and other drugs they were giving him and eventually learned to channel his cycles into music - he's now a very talented musician and guitarist thanks to this. He still has the ups and downs, severe at sometimes, but he's learned how to use that to his advantage.<br><br><br><br>
I'm also a believer in the theory that, given the horrible state of affairs this world is in (even on the best day), that those who <b>aren't</b> depressed about the world are the screwed up ones.<br><br><br><br>
At any rate, I do not believe that depressed people need to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps," I'm far too intimately familiar with the trap of depression to say such a thing. But I also believe that people need to be told that they're NOT powerless, they CAN overcome the depression, and they do not NEED some pill to be "normal."<br><br><br><br>
Perhaps I'm a bit biased because of my negative experiences with anti-depressants, but I honestly believe they're the wrong approach.
 

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hmmm... i suffer from depression really bad actually, i really never understood it. i went to my doctor and he put me on an anti-depressent for about a year the only thing that happen to me was i lost about 8 pounds. my family counselor (really understanding guy, considering some that are in the profession) didnt want me on anti-depressants but didnt really now what else to do. right now i am not on anything, and i am always depressed. i dont know what to do, i dont know what else is out there and what would even work. anyway i have very mixed feelings about anit-depressants.
 

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Let's say that some depression is caused by a "chemical" inbalance...and that inbalance is a result of a lack of serotonin. If that is truly the case, then couldn't it be a nutritional deficiency? I mean, there is another thread on doctors and nutrition and how most of them know absolutely nothing about it. If this is the case, then why would they make a nutrition connection? Let's make that connection and discuss serotonin....<br><br><br><br>
Tryptophan is used by the brain to produce Serotonin. However....you can't JUST eat foods containing tryptophan because in order for your body to form tryptophan there must be sufficient amounts of Vitamin B6, Vitamin C, Folate, and Magnesium. This means that you would have to be sure that you are not deficient in ANY of these...including Tryptophan.<br><br>
Something to consider: Antidepressents, Estrogen Therapy, and Oral Contraceptives may increase the need for Vitamin B6. Diuretics and Cortisone drugs block the absorption of B6 by the body. Alcohol, Analgesics, Antidepressants, Anticoagulants, Oral Contraceptives, and Steroids reduce the levels of Vitamin C. Smoking causes serious depletion of Vitamin C. Oral Contraceptives may increase the need for Folate and Alcohol interferes with the body's absorption of Folate. The consumption of Alcohol , the use of Diuretics, the presence of Flouride, high levels of Zinc and Vitamin D, and Diarrhea all increase the body's need for Magnesium. The consumption of large amounts of fats, calcium, Vitamin D, and Protein decrease Magnesium absorption. Fat-soluble vitamins also hinder the absorption of Magnesium, as do food high in Oxalic Acid, such as Almonds, Chard, Cocoa, Rhubarb, Spinach, and Tea.<br><br><br><br>
All of this considered...how do you know for sure that you have sufficient amounts of Vitamin B6, Vitamin C, Folate, Magnesium and Tryptophan? Take everything into consideration regarding this, because if you're lacking in ANY of these...your body CANNOT produce Serotonin. This is something I've given a lot of thought to because my mom has severe depression problems. She's taking antidepressants, oral contraceptives, was doing estrogen therapy although not any longer, she has the absolute WORST eating habits including beind a huge chocoholic. Of course she refuses to change her diet and anything else she's doing.....'cause she's a stubborn Taurus. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
Well, what do you think anyone?
 

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This is what I believe. The self is a balance of mind, spirit (soul), and body. One or more of those elements is off in people who suffer from depression. I believe that's why medications help some and not others. What do you give the spirit that is searching but not finding? Or, maybe the body is lacking in some type of daily required nutrient. Or, could be that there is some past experience that has never been dealt with. Who knows?...well, for the spiritual side, only the individual will know that something is 'not quite right' and search to fill it. There's no test a doc can give you to determine that what may be lacking is faith in something. Or hope. I'm not saying that everyone has to believe in God, Budha, Allah (sp?)....but people need to give their spirit nurishment from something. If you have faith in your ability to paint wonderful pictures or make wonderful music, those outlets feed your soul..they give you hope that there is good and your spirit is satisfied. Some feed their spirits in church. Some people (not all) who are depressed haven't learned yet what is required for their spirit to feel full...maybe they don't even realize that's what's causing their depression.
 
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