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OK as far as I see it I'm a lacto-vegetarian (trying desperatley to ween myself off milk and cheese). I've read other posts where people say they are lacto-veggie but still eat cheese with rennet. I thought all veggies - not just vegans - stayed away from things like gelatine and rennet <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/huh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":confused:">
 

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That's sort of like saying all Christians go to church every Sunday. It depends on how the particular person defines vegetarian, and how strict they are about it. There are all types of vegetarians. Some don't wear leather, some do. Some worry about rennet, gelatin and other animal derivatives, and some don't. Think of it as a sliding scale. Try as we might, we'll never really be able to lump people into nice neat categories.
 

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personally i don't see much difference between eating a hamburger and eating....jelly babies for example. okay, so you might not be eating meat 'directly' but it doesn't mean it's not there. i think it's a bit like an omni point of view: you can't see it, so you can be blind to it, and the suffering behind it.<br><br><br><br>
though in saying that, i can imagine it could be hard to get rid of everything, though obviously possible in the end.
 

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I agree with bloodysunset.<br><br><br><br>
Oh, and I definetely see a difference between eating a hamburger and a jelly bean! Come on now.
 

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I always thought vegetarians avoided slaughter by-products, as well as actual meat. Therefore eating gelatin, rennet etc is as big a no-no as a steak.<br><br>
Well, that is the definition I live by, but each to their own.
 

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Cheese and rennet: in practice aren't they one and the same (i.e. dead calves)?<br><br><br><br>
Cheese = dairy industry = veal industry = calf stomach = rennet<br><br><br><br>
Eating cheese will cause the breeding and subsequent slaughter of calves, so their stomachs can just as well be used for the rennet, why not? How is it possible to eat cheese (with or without rennet) and avoid the slaughter of calves?<br><br><br><br>
What exactly the ethical difference between cheese with rennet and cheese without rennet?<br><br><br><br>
Even if you buy "humane cheese" (whatever that means) then you will support the production of "humanely slaughtered" (whatever that means) calves. Nevertheless, calves <i>will</i> be slaughtered.<br><br><br><br>
Or do I get it wrong?<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Disclaimer (yadda yadda): I don't attack lactos here. I applaud every step a person makes towards more compassion towards animals than what is the norm.
 

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I am currently weaning myself off of dairy products, on my way to becoming vegan. The cheese that I do still consume - I actually don't know if it's rennet- free or not.<br><br><br><br>
However, personally, I lump things like rennet or animal-derived Vitamin D into a different category than eating a steak or a couple of chicken sandwiches. I drive a car to work - there are animal products in the tires, the dashboard, and the motor oil (and who knows where else). There are probably animal derivatives in the plastic that houses this computer. Slaughterhouse by-products are everywhere, and impossible to avoid while going about the day-to-day business of living.<br><br><br><br>
Just do the best you can.
 

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Oatmeal, I see your point, but vegetarians don't EAT meat or direct slaughter by-products.<br><br>
Wether it is ethical to eat or use things that are part of the meat industry is of course, important to consider, but I don't think that is the main point here.
 

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I didn't know about rennet for a long time when I was still lacto-ovo. Actually I didn't frind out about it until I got on the web looking for info about veganism. I went vegan not long thereafter. But if I still ate dairy, I would look for rennet-free stuff.
 

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Gelatin in vegetrianism isn't eaten, as gelatin is a definite slaughterhouse product.<br><br><br><br>
However, as i see it, the rennet issue isn't really known by many people, and thus, a lot of vegetarians will eat rennet cheese and alcohol fined with animal ingredients. Personally, i aim to eat vegetarian cheese whenever possible, but I don't make a big deal out of it. Same with alcohol.<br><br><br><br>
But I avoid gelatin like the plague. It'd vey much an obvious animal ingredient, which should be avoided, IMO.
 

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I became vegetarian when I was 8 and only stopped eating geltine when I was 12, and only discovered rennet when i was 15! so I avoided cheese with animal rennet from then but then I became vegan in my late months of being a 15year old and therefore stopped eating rennet obviously!
 

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also, rennet can come from a number of sources, not just animal bodies. there are bacteria that make a product used as rennet and called rennet, and there is also a plant based rennet out there. and of course, there is "rennet free" cheese.<br><br><br><br>
but, the difficult thing to figure out (via packaging) is which cheese uses animal rennet as opposed to bacterial or plant rennet. Health Food Stores and Trader Joe's generally have listings of which cheese contain which kinds of rennet. Most of the people can point you in the right direction as well.
 

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Can someone tell me what rennet is? I don't consume dairy anymore, but i'd still like an exact (mostly) definition...thanks.<br><br><br><br>
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it's an enzyme found inside the stomach that is used to make the cheese ferment faster or something. Alls I know is, it's G-R-O-S-S.
 

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The whole "animal derivatives are in everything, such as my computer or tires, so lets just say the heck with it and 'do the best you can' by eating things with rennet" thing does not make sense. Think about it this way. There are rennet-free cheeses (though they still will support the meat industry). There are NOT vegan tires available. There are gelatin-free gummy bears available (and who NEEDS gummy bears anyway? Let's get real here). There are NOT special made-for-vegetarians computers. Sadly but truly. Some things can be avoided, some cannot. Doesn't it make sense to put down the ignorance claim and choose the ethical alternatives?<br><br><br><br>
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Vegans should look for ethical alternatives whenever possible. But we're not talking about vegans, were talking about ovo-lacto vegetarians. Many people become vegetarian for health reasons and would not be concerned about gelatin or rennet or carmine or vitamin d3. In my mind, if you're concerned about gelatin and rennet then you should be concerned about cheese and milk too because the whole dairy industry is inherinetly cruel and all factory farming leads to death. But to call someone an omnivore ("vegetarians don't eat gelatin") because they eat products contain gelatin is rediculous. Vegetarians don't eat "meat", everything else is up for debate.
 

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I didn't necessarily direct my post towards JUST vegans. I just don't think it makes sense that a vegetarian--namely one for ethical reasons--should consume products that have the enzyme from a dead calf when there are alternatives that use some other kind of non-animal enyzyme.<br><br><br><br>
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It was my opinion that vegetarians didn't eat meat and vegans didn't eat anything with animal by-products (rennet, gelatin, whey, etc.). I guess it *is* a sliding scale, as bloodysunsett mentioned. Right now, I look for lard or broth. I seriously need to start checking for gelatin and rennet (gotta check my Veggie Slices). Oh, I hope there's none in swedish fish!<br><br><br><br>
There was an incident at work where I had to go interrogate the person in charge of buying the refried beans for a birthday luncheon at work. Someone helping her offered to go get another can of beans w/o the lard for me. It's a good thing that not everyone gets so offended by what I choose not to eat. (Why is that, anyway? Even if I'm not turning down something they personally cooked, some people get offended. Go figure.)
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by kpickell</i><br><br><b>Vegans should look for ethical alternatives whenever possible. But we're not talking about vegans, were talking about ovo-lacto vegetarians. Many people become vegetarian for health reasons and would not be concerned about gelatin or rennet or carmine or vitamin d3. In my mind, if you're concerned about gelatin and rennet then you should be concerned about cheese and milk too because the whole dairy industry is inherinetly cruel and all factory farming leads to death. But to call someone an omnivore ("vegetarians don't eat gelatin") because they eat products contain gelatin is rediculous. Vegetarians don't eat "meat", everything else is up for debate.</b></div>
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My thoughts exactly. Very well said. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":up:">
 
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