Couldn't help noticing the post below about animal research. Your being led up the garden path by groups that talk of 'alternatives' The fundamental scientific FACT is that vivisection is totally and utterly USELESS. These groups that speak of 'alternatives' are led by ex-vivisectors who purposefully campaign in such a way as to be ineffectual and thus allow animal testing to continue forever, which it will if you keep swallowing their bull****, come on guys theres vegan's on this board, your not supposed to consume animal products, so spit out the crap for god's sake. Scientific fact1) Every species is a seperate biomechanical and biochemical entity. You cant recreate a spontaneous disease in even another human and learn from it, it's not the same thing as the naturally occuring one. You certainly cant recreate it in another species, they dont get our diseases and we dont get theirs. take human cancer for example, in us cancer comes in the form of carcinomas, they effect our membrane lining eg lining of lungs. Cancer in other species mice and rats for example consists of sarcoma's, they effect the bones and adjoining tissue. Therefore they cant get lung cancer, it doesn't matter how many cigs you force down them. The only purpose of the vivisection industry is to get every unsafe chemical and drug, every pesticide to cosmetic on the market without properly testing them, and then to have an alibi in court when inevitably people, die, get deformed and crippled etc the defence ' we did the animal tests and it doesn't matter how many we do they do show how a human will react.' Dont support any groups that endorse the 'alternatives' propaganda, only the groups that talk of immediate and total abolition. Groups such as 'Nature of wellness' in America, 'BAVA' in Britain, these are the genuine Anti-vivisection groups, doctors, scientists and the like with a plethora of scientific and medical facts, all talk of 'looking for alternatives' is a con designed to keep vivisection going forever, thats why so many vivisectors themselves support the 'alternative' racket.