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<div class="quote-block"><b>Animal rights activists spray KFC chief with fake blood and chicken feathers</b><br><br><br><br>
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6/23/03 8:52 PM<br><br><br><br>
FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) -- Animal rights activists in Germany sprayed fake blood and threw chicken feathers on the chief of YUM! Brands, owner of the world's largest chicken restaurant chain KFC, as he opened a new restaurant Monday in the city of Garbsen.<br><br><br><br>
The protest targeting YUM! Brands' David Novak was aimed at raising attention to what activists from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) called KFC's cruelty to chickens during the raising, transport and slaughter of the animals, said Juergen Faulmann, who said he organized the protest for the German branch of the organization.<br><br><br><br>
The company called for the perpetrators to be prosecuted.<br><br><br><br>
"This is an act of corporate terrorism, and we believe the perpetrator should be prosecuted under the fullest extent of German law," said YUM! Brands spokesman Jonathan Blum. "They've crossed the line from simply expressing their views to corporate attacks and personal violence."<br><br><br><br>
Police in Garbsen, near the central German city of Hanover, said they were searching for suspects.<br><br><br><br>
Faulmann said that two activists had been involved in the incident and both had fled.<br><br><br><br>
Novak, who was not hurt, is head of the Louisville, Ky.-based YUM! Brands, Inc., which owns Pizza Hut and Taco Bell, along with KFC.<br><br><br><br>
PETA accuses KFC of failing to respond to its calls for better conditions for chickens raised for use in its restaurants, including a 30 percent increase in the amount of space where the birds are enclosed, a more humane mode of loading them for transport and video surveillance in the slaughterhouses.<br><br><br><br>
Earlier this month the group staged protests outside other KFCs in Germany.<br></div>
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<div class="quote-block">The protest targeting YUM! Brands' David Novak was aimed at raising attention to what activists from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) called KFC's cruelty to chickens during the raising, transport and slaughter of the animals, said Juergen Faulmann, who said he organized the protest for the German branch of the organization.</div>
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And PeTA does not encourage or promote violence? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"><br><br><br><br>
And veg*ns wonder why the majority of the population think PeTA are a bunch of extremist wingnuts? How can you blame them for thinking this way when you have idiots like these activists doing nonsense like this?<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Faulmann said that two activists had been involved in the incident and both had fled.</div>
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Of course... what else would you expect from criminals and cowards but to run away.<br><br><br><br>
These "activists" need to be prosecuted and jailed... period.
 

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I totally agree. Just because your cause is just doesn't mean you can break the law.<br><br><br><br>
I really don't understand these types of tactics (many PETA stunts and ALF stuff). It's very counter-productive in my opinion.
 

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Violence? Please...it's fake blood and feathers. It isn't going to hurt anyone. At most they should have to buy him a new suit. It's like when politicians get pied: harmless fun. The only guilty of violence here is KFC.<br><br><br><br>
Main Entry: vi·o·lence<br><br>
Pronunciation: 'vI-l&n(t)s, 'vI-&-<br><br>
Function: noun<br><br>
Date: 14th century<br><br>
1 a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in effecting illegal entry into a house) b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure<br><br>
2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : OUTRAGE<br><br>
3 a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm> b : vehement feeling or expression : FERVOR; also : an instance of such action or feeling c : a clashing or jarring quality : DISCORDANCE<br><br>
4 : undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)<br><br><br><br>
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So maybe the activists fit definition 3b, but seriously it's fake blood and feathers. Who cares?
 

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Peebs, the fact they threw it in the guys face or threw anything on him constitutes an assault on his person. It's ridiculous for them, or anyone else, to try and justify this as anything but criminal activity.<br><br><br><br>
Ruining his suit is damage to private property (if in fact it was ruined).<br><br><br><br>
And, how did he know it was not real blood, or acid, or a poisonous substance? It could have been anything. He had no idea at first what it was.<br><br><br><br>
Jail them, let them rot in prison.
 

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Spitting on a cop is considered assault. I can see how this would be interpreted similarly. It's simply inappropriate behavior.
 

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But it was harmless. Seriously, in our litigious society everything is a crime and it's getting stupid. Mr. KFC should quit being such a ****ing baby. It's a prank/publicity stunt, stop crying. If someone threw blood on me I wouldn't call the police. It is a waste of everyone's time, and I'm not a *****.<br><br><br><br>
BTW, I'm not saying I approve of the incident as an advocacy tactic, just that it's not a big deal and the people who did it shouldn't go to jail. A fine sure. Community service would be good, but jail? Come on...
 

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Peebs, It was not harmless. They assaulted someone for publicity.<br><br><br><br>
I think a strong message needs to be sent to anyone who thinks its okay to do the nonsense like these two asswipes did. And yes, that means jail time. I am not talking some local level jail... I mean give people like this 2 to 5 years at a federal level penitentiary. It will clearly send the message that if you want to engage in acts like this, as a society we're simply not going to put up with it.<br><br><br><br>
AND, KFC should sue the two activists on a civil level and drag it out as long as possible so that these two literally end up in the poorhouse. Really make an example out of them.<br><br><br><br>
I would. And I would not even blink an eye over it either.<br><br><br><br>
A publicity stunt at the expense of another is not acceptable.
 

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If someone assaulted me, I'd beat the living sh1t out of him, and I'm a pacifist. Oops. Maybe I'm not.<br><br><br><br>
Seriously, though. I would restrain the person who assaulted me, retain several witnesses, and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.<br><br><br><br>
This is not an example of litigiousness. Litigiousness is when a person gets into a car accident while distracted on the cell phone, then sues Nokia and GM!<br><br><br><br>
This is an example of exercising justice, using laws that were written to protect us. If everyone could go around committing acts of assault, society would break down.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Robert</i><br><br><b>I am not talking some local level jail... I mean give people like this 2 to 5 years at a federal level penitentiary.</b></div>
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I believe that would be far, far out of proportion to the crime, Robert. Full restitution, full legal fees, and many, many hours of community service are a fair punishment, in my view. Keep people like this out of jail. It's a drain on our penal system, and only makes things worse.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Robert</i><br><br><b>I think a strong message needs to be sent to anyone who thinks its okay to do the nonsense like these two asswipes did. And yes, that means jail time. I am not talking some local level jail... I mean give people like this 2 to 5 years at a federal level penitentiary. It will clearly send the message that if you want to engage in acts like this, as a society we're simply not going to put up with it.</b></div>
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I'm not agreeing with the stunt, but I think up to five years in a federal prison sounds ridiculous, especially when considering the act. ALF activists have got the same sentence for firebombing, obviously the two acts differ largely, and should be treated differently based upon the extent of the damage, or harassment.
 

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Yes, "litigious" was the wrong word. I was tired. What I meant is that we live in a cry-baby society. No one was hurt or even could be. The stunt was stupid, nothing else. It certainly was not violent. 5 years in jail?! That's insane. What is it about throwing people in jail that gets you so excited? This isn't the first time...<br><br><br><br>
Also, please do not get the idea that I am soft on crime. I just believe in jailing people who actually deserve it (thieves, rapists, murderers, drunk drivers, drug dealers, people who actually commit violence) for a long time. I think fine/community service would be the best punishment for the PETA idiots. Maybe even a warning promising some jail time if they are caught again.
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Peebs</i><br><br>
5 years in jail?! That's insane. What is it about throwing people in jail that gets you so excited? This isn't the first time...</div>
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It's not that I am excited about sending people to prison. But I feel it's high time a severely strong message were sent to those who think its great to do such a ridiculous act. Send a message that's very clear... perhaps some of these idiots will think twice before their publicity stunt.<br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Also, please do not get the idea that I am soft on crime. I just believe in jailing people who actually deserve it (thieves, rapists, murderers, drunk drivers, drug dealers, people who actually commit violence) for a long time. I think fine/community service would be the best punishment for the PETA idiots. Maybe even a warning promising some jail time if they are caught again.</div>
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First of all, believe it or not... I don't consider all of PeTA a bunch of idiots.. but I do believe a lot of the stuff PeTA "activists" do and a lot of the stuff PeTA advocates/encourages is idiotic. I just do not think a fine/community service and a warning will make much of a difference, "if" they are caught again. And yet these sorts of acts continue to happen.<br><br><br><br>
While no one was really physically harmed, the person was indeed assualted and the message sent is "hey... all we got was a slap on the wrist" so you get him next time. (if they even catch the activists). As such, I think sending a couple of these people away to do some hard time might just send that message.
 

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Um...our society IS breaking down and we do indeed have laws for everything.<br><br><br><br>
Robert, what do you think activists (fighting severe abuse or oppression of fellow beings, humans included) should do when all peaceful efforts have been exhausted and were completely unsuccessful? I am asking an honest question, not trying to trap you or set you up. Just wondering.<br><br><br><br>
What are the next steps, or should they just throw their hands in the air and give up?<br><br><br><br>
I know you are not a pacifist, so I'm just confused as to what you think activists should do to bring about desperately needed change...
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Peebs</i><br><br><b>Yes, "litigious" was the wrong word. I was tired. What I meant is that we live in a cry-baby society. No one was hurt or even could be. The stunt was stupid, nothing else. It certainly was not violent. 5 years in jail?! That's insane. What is it about throwing people in jail that gets you so excited? This isn't the first time...<br><br><br><br></b></div>
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Cry-baby? Tell ya what, I'll come over to your house later and dump an unknown substance on you when you least expect it because I disagree with you. Sound good?<br><br><br><br>
The stunt was stupid, reckless, and, yes, an attack upon another person because of their legal activities.<br><br><br><br>
Fine? Sure. Community service? Yes, but after a short visit to the county pen. 6 months in the slammer will teach these whackos that you obey the law in a civil society.<br><br><br><br>
Oh, and anyone that "pies" a public official deserves a good beat down by security followed by a trip to jail for assaulting a public official.
 

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Aksjg: I'm a firm believer in public education to make change. I don't believe extremist acts do any good in the long term, in fact I believe it harms the chance for change.<br><br><br><br>
Assaulting the man in the case above did nothing but appease a very minor group of people, but served notice to the majority of the public that yet another couple of extremist whackos are on the loose.<br><br><br><br>
To me, change has to come through public education AND public support.<br><br><br><br>
Just a thought... PeTA receives millions of dollars each year. They have a bunch of support with the Hollywood crowd and California is a big, influential state. What about if they took an initiative and produced an actual mini series or series of 30 minute documentaries and ran these on TV? It seems like a LOT of people believe everything they see on TV these days.<br><br><br><br>
Part of the reason infomercials are successful is because they are run at weird hours, with less competition from other programs for a viewing audience. Maybe this could be an effective method of education.<br><br><br><br>
At this point, I hardly think all peaceful efforts have been exhausted. And, at the same time, I think all the extremism is doing more harm than good with public support and public perception about places like PeTA.<br><br><br><br>
(of course, I realize the above suggestions are a bit "out there"... but it is something that could be better explored as alternatives to extemism and criminal activity).
 

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<div class="quote-block"><i>Originally posted by Tame</i><br><br><b>Cry-baby? Tell ya what, I'll come over to your house later and dump an unknown substance on you when you least expect it because I disagree with you. Sound good?<br><br></b></div>
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As long as you do not break into my house, go ahead. I won't call the cops if no damage to me or my property has occurred.<br><br><br><br>
And Robert, the law should not be used to make examples of people. It is to be applied equally to all people, regardless of whether their prank gets on the news or not. I also do not consider PETA completely idiotic, though I would certainly use that word to describe this incident and the people who committed it. Why? Because like so many PETA campaigns it will only piss off and alienate people.<br><br><br><br>
Not me though, I think it's kinda funny.
 

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I think hour long infomercials would be great. Robert, you could help by convincing networks to run them. Good luck, pal! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=";)"><br><br><br><br>
For the record, I don't think this particular act served any good. I bet they feel cool, though.<br><br><br><br>
They are no worse than any other pranksters, though- right? So, should pranksters be punished as severely as you recommended for these guys?
 
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