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<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jul/13/animal-experiments-rise" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...periments-rise</a><br>
This is somewhat old news but I thought some here would be interested.
 

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It's very saddening.<br>
I was only just having a conversation with someone yesterday about the violent tactics from the anti vivisection movement in the 80's and how that had done nothing to resolve the issue of animal experiments.
 

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Well, this sucks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Every now and then I feel a little bit of hope that the human race may be moving away from animal testing, then I have to go and read something like this.<br><br>
What's the deal with using fish more in experiments, though? Last time I checked, my anatomy was very different to a fish's.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>offthahook</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3014668"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I was only just having a conversation with someone yesterday about the violent tactics from the anti vivisection movement in the 80's and how that had done nothing to resolve the issue of animal experiments.</div>
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Ending vivisection is a process. There isn't just one thing that's going to end it. By your reasoning nothing will "resolve" it - because along with more aggressive tactics there has been education and every other form of campaigning in the last 30 years, and they didn't end it either. It will take a lot of tactics, over time. And in fact, the UK is much further along the road to ending animal experimentation than the US - proportional to the size of the countries there are many fewer animals used, and more restrictions such as the illegality of experimentation on Great Apes - so I would say activists in the UK are doing something right to have held back the numbers. In the UK there are actually public debates with scientists and anti-vivisectionists to a much greater degree than in the US - and if anything I would argue that the more aggressive tactics have pushed the anti vivisection issue into the public for scrutiny, which is a substantial step towards abolishing it. For many people, I believe when they really understand what vivisection is and what it looks like, they do not support it.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Irizary</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3014728"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Ending vivisection is a process. There isn't just one thing that's going to end it. By your reasoning nothing will "resolve" it - because along with more aggressive tactics there has been education and every other form of campaigning in the last 30 years, and they didn't end it either. It will take a lot of tactics, over time. And in fact, the UK is much further along the road to ending animal experimentation than the US - proportional to the size of the countries there are many fewer animals used, and more restrictions such as the illegality of experimentation on Great Apes - so I would say activists in the UK are doing something right to have held back the numbers. In the UK there are actually public debates with scientists and anti-vivisectionists to a much greater degree than in the US - and if anything I would argue that the more aggressive tactics have pushed the anti vivisection issue into the public for scrutiny, which is a substantial step towards abolishing it. For many people, I believe when they really understand what vivisection is and what it looks like, they do not support it.</div>
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That at least gives some reason for optimism. Do you know how many animals are killed per year in the UK? I don't recall the article giving a number. It's sad that countries still use animal experimentation today given the technology, and I'd be curious to see what reasons they give in these debates.
 
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