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K so my sister & I have decided to go vegetarian. I myself have personally tried it several times prior. But I could just never get 'full', and was always hungry. Eventually I'd usually just go back to eating meat in about a week or two.<br><br>
After reading even more articles than with previous attempts at going veggie, and watching many doctors' lectures... One of my conclusions as to why some people fail at going veggie, is because: many try maintaining a vegetarian diet on what I call 'walmart' food. It's nothing against walmart... But if you're buying food at walmart (or a typical grocery store), then meat is likely among the more nutritious items available to you at that store. If you remove this 'best source' of nutrition from your diet (going vegetarian), and replace it with food-flavored 'stuff' ('walmart' food; void of virtually all nutrients), you'll essentially just be starving yourself while exposing yourself to an even higher intake of 'chemicals', refined sugar and other food additives. Some of these food additives, by the way, are purposely added to some products because they make you hungrier, faster. The more you eat, the hungier you get.<br><br>
My 2nd conclusion as to why some attemps end-up failing: is due to the sudden reduction of protein and fat intake. I've been observing the diet of the people around me. It seems most people tend to prefer products that are very high in fat. Meat, for the most part, is their exclusive source of protein. If the people around me are typical Americans... then that must mean when the typical American goes vegetarian, they are cutting-out their almost-exclusive-source-of-protein. And also suddenly reducing their fat intake by a great deal. Again... They're essentially starving themselves without even realizing it.<br><br><br>
Considering my statments above, I've been able to maintain an [almost] vegetarian diet for about 2 months now. Which is quite a long time for me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Had I proceeded on this diet with walmart food, I'd been back on meet in just a week or so. However, I ditched the crap and decided to purchase real food. By real food, I mean food with no (or minimal) additives, refined sugar, etc., and which contains primarly organic ingredients. I've accounted for the protein, and now I'm exceeding the RDA. To deal with the high fat intake, I've replaced it with much healthier fats, like with raw sunflower seeds and organic peanut butter.<br><br>
After making these changes to my diet, going vegetarian (and sticking with it) was actually surprisingly easy. I've had no craving of meat, I don't want meat, and I don't ever see myself going back.<br><br>
I did, however, during those 2 months, cheat a little... Once I had a few pieces of shrimp (which I regreted), and a 2nd time I had a few nuggets from chic-fil-a. I regretted that too... I could taste the MSG (it tasted like ramen noodles), gave me heart burn, and made me feel a bit sick the rest of the day.<br><br>
I'm gonna end my post here for now... Too tired to write anymore lol<br>
I'll edit this post a little later with more info about my experiences and a few things I've found that make switching over easier. And I'll revise portions of my post... I'm tired atm so some if it might not make sense, or could use refining. Sorry for that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">
 

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I've also been doing this for 2 months now, 1st attempt.<br><br>
I first read the China Study, then how to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease and also I watched Forks over Knives (now avail on streaming on Netflix).<br><br>
The conclusion I came to is a whole food plant based diet is the only way to go. I haven't been hungry once or missed my meat, dairy or eggs at all. Between this new way of eating and adding some moderate exercise (20-30 min/day on an elliptical and 45min-1Hr of walking) the excess weight I've been carrying for years is shedding off... and did I mention I'm not starving at all, lol.<br><br>
If you haven't read those particular books or seen the movie, do so, it will reinforce the conclusion you've seem to come to on your own.
 

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I'm not sure that I agree about the Wal-Mart/grocery store point. Maybe it's different in your area, but our Wal-Marts and grocery stores usually have a fairly decent produce section and always seem to carry plenty of dried goods too, such as rice and different varieties of beans. Many are beginning to carry even more. I think a big part of the problem with failed attempts is that many people have a difficult time figuring out how to suddenly fill that empty space on their plate where the meat used to be. Things like fake meats are obvious answers, but they can be highly processed as well as expensive. I can't help but feel like part of the answer is to learn to view meals differently. What makes a main course, what does a veg*n meal revolve around? It can take some getting used to.<br><br>
Congratulations on your progress so far.
 

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Congrats on the discovery for you! Welcome to VB. Oh, and...<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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No, it is. Walmart sucks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue3.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":p">
 

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I'm not sure that I agree about the Wal-Mart/grocery store point. Maybe it's different in your area, but our Wal-Marts and grocery stores usually have a fairly decent produce section and always seem to carry plenty of dried goods too, such as rice and different varieties of beans. Many are beginning to carry even more. I think a big part of the problem with failed attempts is that many people have a difficult time figuring out how to suddenly fill that empty space on their plate where the meat used to be. Things like fake meats are obvious answers, but they can be highly processed as well as expensive. I can't help but feel like part of the answer is to learn to view meals differently. What makes a main course, what does a vegan meal revolve around? It can take some getting used to.<br><br>
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With the exception of Super Walmart, every one of those stores I've been to had the nastiest foods I've ever seen. No produce, nothing but processed crap like Hungry Man meals and Hamburger Helper. All grocery stores, on the other hand, have never not had produce or healthy foods. I love that all Wal-Farts are starting to carry more healthy food (baby steps). Target has expanded their stores too, adding produce. It's great <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Now Super Target <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/drool.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":drool:"> Heaven.
 

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With the exception of Super Walmart, every one of those stores I've been to had the nastiest foods I've ever seen. No produce, nothing but processed crap like Hungry Man meals and Hamburger Helper. All grocery stores, on the other hand, have never not had produce or healthy foods. I love that all Wal-Farts are starting to carry more healthy food (baby steps). Target has expanded their stores too, adding produce. It's great <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"> Now Super Target <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/drool.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":drool:"> Heaven.</div>
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I guess the ones I've been in are lucky or something then. Their variety and produce is never <i>great</i> but it's almost always decent. I am glad that target is starting to carry more food, I'd much rather shop there anyway.
 

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I guess the ones I've been in are lucky or something then. Their variety and produce is never <i>great</i> but it's almost always decent. I am glad that target is starting to carry more food, I'd much rather shop there anyway.</div>
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Maybe it's because you're in Canada, I'm in the States. I wonder where the OP is from.<br><br>
Target = Best Store Ever.
 

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Maybe it's because you're in Canada, I'm in the States. I wonder where the OP is from.<br><br>
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I doubt it. I'm actually only here half the year. The rest of the year I live in North Carolina, so, I get a fair sampling of stores in both countries.<br><br>
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The reason I have kept it up for 11 months so far is because I have thrown myself into the task of learning to cook vegetarian foods, and I have also tried hard to recreate meals I ate when an omni, so I havent felt like I am missing out.
 

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Thanks for the replies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
To clarify things a bit: by walmart food, I'm mostly refering to processed/packaged foods. Some things in the produce section at walmart are acceptable. However there's still no (or very few) good alternatives [at most gorcery stores] to fill the fat/protein gap, which was originally filled by meat. Thus, why I call it walmart food <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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Well, I disagree with you about all Grocery stores, my Krogers and also food city has health Veg and Vegan foods and Organic and natural foods that will feed you completly, I don't look for traditional cereals or product no more I look for the natural and Organic and Vegan brands.<br>
My Krogers has a full section for natural and Organic and Veg friendly foods, even their soy yogurts and organic yogurts and stuff is in their own freezer and fridge.<br>
Where we are moving too about a year, their is a big grocery store, it has all kinds of food from traditional, Omni, Vegan, Veg, Oraganic and natural items so on. You will get lost in this grocery store.
 

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Thanks for the replies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"><br><br>
To clarify things a bit: by walmart food, I'm mostly refering to processed/packaged foods. Some things in the produce section at walmart are acceptable. However there's still no (or very few) good alternatives [at most gorcery stores] to fill the fat/protein gap, which was originally filled by meat. Thus, why I call it walmart food <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)"></div>
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I totally get what you're saying. Wal-mart is pretty much void of nutritious foods. I shop at Health Foods stores, there are quite a few around me and I have all kinds of delicious things to choose from like: Field Roast, Lentils, quinoa, nuts in the bulk bins, all the dried beans and seeds you can think of, faux meats, etc.
 

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OP you cannot blame walmart foods for your failure. I shop at walmart and have succeeded do to their selections . It is all a choice. You chose to put that stuff in your mouth. You can never go hungry at walmart (or any store) They have tons of veggies, fruit, dry goods. Look for another store. The walmart by me sucks so I drive 10 miles to a better and cleaner one. Trust me they are NOT all the same!<br>
ETA: It could possible be an emotional attachment to the food. (being told all ur life "its good for you") I have that with sweets <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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Some things in the produce section at walmart are acceptable. However there's still no (or very few) good alternatives [at most gorcery stores] to fill the fat/protein gap, which was originally filled by meat.</i><br><br>
That is simply untrue. Fat and protein are abundantly found in many fruits, veggies, nuts, grains, and legumes. Am I wrong, does your walmart not carry for instance spinach, broccoli, nuts, avocados, brown rice, lentils? .... I could go on and on.
 

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Meat contains nothing different in nutrition than plants. And considering it's so difficult to digest meat and that you're cooking it, which also corrupts the nutrition.... what your saying just doesnt add up
 

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I don't get what's against WalMart. WalMart is great, and they have a bigger produce selection than my other local markets, with lots of other healthy food. There are unhealthy foods at supermarkets and Targets and places like that, too, it's not like you magically step into WalMart and magically all the unhealthiest food in the store appears in your cart and the produce section and all the healthy stuff disappears. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"> And again, WalMart rocks, I hate when people say it sucks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">
 

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I don't get what's against WalMart. WalMart is great, and they have a bigger produce selection than my other local markets, with lots of other healthy food. There are unhealthy foods at supermarkets and Targets and places like that, too, it's not like you magically step into WalMart and magically all the unhealthiest food in the store appears in your cart and the produce section and all the healthy stuff disappears. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":rolleyes:"> And again, WalMart rocks, I hate when people say it sucks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("></div>
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Every Wal-Mart I've ever been to has sucked a**. The people, the selection, and the stores. There is ALWAYS stuff on the floor and kids running around unattended. That's been my experience 100% of the time.
 

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Our version of Walmart is called The Warehouse, or the Red Shed, or the Ware Whare to some. I dont like it, it is just this big corrugated tin building full of stuff.
 

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My 2nd conclusion as to why some attemps end-up failing: is due to the sudden reduction of protein and fat intake.</div>
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I think this is an important point. The typical diet is one defined by sociocultural evolution and not biological evolution. In the UK, people will typically have toast for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch (perhaps containing meat or cheese), and an evening meal consisting of a carbohydrate source (e.g. rice) and meat. If a person living on a diet of this kind becomes vegetarian simply by removing meat, there will be even greater nutritional deficiency in their diet than there was previously.<br><br>
The most important thing to do is to properly incorporate a range of vegetables, nuts, and beans, into the diet. It is also important for people not to feel that they have to eat in culturally normative ways - e.g. there is no objective reason to have breads or cereals for breakfast and not nuts, vegetables, fruits, or beans, or for lunch to consist of something in between two pieces of bread, etc.
 
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