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I am a new vegetarian with the hopes of going vegan once I've gotten my body and my schedule used to all the changes.<br><br><br><br>
I just checked my advil bottle and realized I have to give them up... which is painful because I suffer frequent and BAD headaches due to weather changes, job stress, etc.<br><br><br><br>
I spoke with a representative from Tylenol and we looked at every product and figured out the only vegan one is the liquid tylenol. I'm not thrilled about switching to aspirin for a few reasons. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin</a>)<br><br><br><br>
Does anyone have suggestions for 'safe' pain-relievers for headaches?<br><br><br><br>
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what about a menthol roll on thing? its not a 'painkiller' as such, but i try and avoid using them regularly if i can, as i've read that you can get rebound headaches and dependancy from using painkillers regularly... and perhaps cos i'm cheap and don't want to pay for them, lol.<br><br><br><br>
maybe you could also look into working out the causes of the headaches (which it looks like you've done) and resolving those issues- if your insurance'll cover it, you could see a natropathic doctor for some extra help doing this, too, maybe?<br><br><br><br>
there are little changes in habits and other things that seem simple, but that might help if practiced consistantly, which you could try- for example:<br><br><br><br>
while you can't always change how stressful your job is, you can change how you deal with it- do little things like go for a quick walk around during your break, practice good breathing and posture, drink plenty of water, remember to move your head and neck and jaw and not allow yourself to tense up on reflex (i do the whole tensing up thing!), have a nice warm bath when you get home to unwind, leave work stuff at work (mentally), etc.<br><br><br><br>
the weather thing is to do with air pressure, right? i get that sometimes- things like hot drinks, chewing gum, yawning, swallowing, and even gently rubbing and stroking pressure points on your face can help with that- even a saline nasal spray can help sometimes. if you have sinus issues generally, you might find this improves when you give up dairy, mine did quite a bit.<br><br><br><br>
i don't want this to come across wrong, but i know that headaches can be really painful, and its easy to reach for the pills, but sometimes there is a better (all be it not so instant) fix, one that gets to the root of the problem, and doesn't just mask the symptoms- you know?
 

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As far as "safe" medicine, I don't really check for any ingredients besides gelatin and other obvious ones. I found an advil that had none, which I considered "Safe". Check the generic advil pills too.... anything with gel or slow release is gonna be a no-no. I take tylenol now if I have a killer headache (advil is not safe for pregnancy), aspirin I haven't taken in years ;-)
 

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If more vegans cared about the lactose/gelatin in medicine, and the demand was there, it might lead these companies to formulate vegan pills instead.<br><br><br><br>
Many of us just simply accept it as one of those "allowables" like car driving, tilled produce, non-digital movies(photographic film use/gelatin), or buying produce that may have bees wax coating- things we don't think about.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
I myself, although rarely use medication, ended up taking some Alka-Seltzer Cold I had laying around a couple weeks ago. Which has aspartame, acesulfameK, magnesium stearate, and saccharin. Like one big poison pill I know... but after 3 days feeling half dead I caved and took the medicine. *shrug*<br><br><br><br><br><br>
This is one of a few debates in the vegan community. Should we not take medication to increase demand? or should we accept the ingredients, and take what we require?<br><br><br><br>
I would recommend other forms of pain relief before using acetaminophen/aspirin just because I believe the more natural routes should be taken first, and chemical aids as a last resort, but to each his own.<br><br><br><br>
Perhaps others could recommend other products for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":)">
 

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My acetaminophen bottle says this:<br><br><br><br>
Acetaminophen<br><br>
325 mg in each tablet<br><br><br><br>
inactives: Cellulose, corn starch, magnesium stearate, sodium starch glycolate.<br><br><br><br>
I'm not vegan, but I simply don't carry around a peice of paper with a lot of chemical names on it.<br><br><br><br>
As far as "vegan demand" - a vegan boycott of a product like this is not likely to make a dent in any way. Especially since vegans are often more inclined to go natural routes anyway, even if the products were always vegan.
 

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I completely understand your reasons and ideas, and agree with most of them.. guess I should give a bit of history.<br><br><br><br>
I hate taking pills in general.. I'm the type to live with the headache and avoid taking anything until it gets SO bad.. and quite often they do. I'll even go to bed with a headache hoping it will be gone in the morning, and after 7-8 hrs of sleep it's there waiting for me.. worse than ever.<br><br><br><br>
And a couple times a year I get the kind of migraines where you lie down in the dark and don't move for half a day.<br><br><br><br>
as far as insurance, and work stress... I just moved back to the Denver area, and am working two low-paying jobs while I search for a job in my field, and dig myself out of the hole from all the moving expenses and such. So I'm working about 60hrs a week, and one of the jobs is retail, nights and weekends. No taking a walk, or doing anything other than grabbing a couple advil.. it's an ordeal to get someone to cover you at the register so you can go refill your water bottle.<br><br><br><br>
But you DID remind me that lush.com has a temple salve/balm called flying fox made with jasmine that always cheers me up and even helps the headaches some.. I lost mine a couple weeks ago and really need to get more. They have a couple others I might try... just need to remember which scents aromatherapy says works for headaches.<br><br><br><br>
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what about a menthol roll on thing? ... dependancy from using painkillers regularly... if your insurance'll cover it...<br><br>
while you can't always change how stressful your job is, you can change how you deal with it...<br><br><br><br>
the weather thing is to do with air pressure, right? things like hot drinks, chewing gum, yawning, swallowing, and even gently rubbing and stroking pressure points on your face can help with that- even a saline nasal spray can help sometimes.</div>
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Especially since vegans are often more inclined to go natural routes anyway, even if the products were always vegan.</div>
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the pill?
 

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please do recommend natural alternatives!<br><br><br><br>
anything that works that's a step closer to nature and a step away from chemicals can only help!<br><br><br><br>
as far as reading the back of the bottles... the woman from tylenol really helped when I called them.<br><br><br><br>
gelatin<br><br>
magnesium stearate<br><br>
polysorbate 88<br><br><br><br>
are all animal derived..<br><br><br><br>
and while everyone says gelatin is cow... I lived in LA for 7 yrs and worked with some of the animal rights groups, including the Animal Defense League. And a very nasty story they uncovered was that the city had found a way to make a profit from euthanized pets.... they were loaded into trucks and sent to 1 of 3 rendering plants outside the city and... well...<br><br><br><br>
no more jelly beans, gummy bears... etc for me.<br><br><br><br>
I honestly do not know if this has changed, because when I left LA things were still SO bad with that whole shelter system. one of the most barbaric in the country... disgusting and heartbreaking.<br><br><br><br>
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But you DID remind me that lush.com has a temple salve/balm called flying fox made with jasmine that always cheers me up and even helps the headaches some.. I lost mine a couple weeks ago and really need to get more. They have a couple others I might try... just need to remember which scents aromatherapy says works for headaches.</div>
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Keep in mind that Lush's temple balms contain beeswax and glycerine (which might be animal-sourced, they don't specify but some of their products that seem otherwise vegan contain only glycerine as an iffy ingredient and they are not marked V)<br><br><br><br>
There's this roll-on migraine stick thing I saw at the HFS, kind of like Head On, but natural.. I'll have to look for it next time I'm there and I'll let you know the name of it... good luck!
 

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^ Theres a big sign in the lush near me saying "all our products are vegetarian"</div>
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Me too.. actually I think the sign at my location says "all products are vegetarian and many/most are vegan" but different companies have different definitions of what are "vegetarian" ingredients. I just have not yet inquired Lush about the source of their glycerine. I once bought shamp/cond because I quickly glanced at the back and it stated "no animal testing and contains no animal products or by-products" only to get home and see that Lanolin was among the ingredient list. To my knowledge, there does not exist a synthetic or plant-based lanolin, so I would certainly consider lanolin to be an animal product/by-product, but I guess they (Freeman's) do not.
 

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definitely let me know about the migraine roll on thing!<br><br><br><br>
and I'll write or call Lush tomorrow (I love how quickly they answer their customer service line, at all sorts of hours) and ask them about the glycerine.. I LOVE Lush products... they all smell so yummy.<br><br><br><br>
I just wish I could find the tub of flying fox I already own... it definitely helped.<br><br><br><br>
I wimped out... tonight my headache got so bad I wanted to cry, so I took some advil.. kept seeing cows in my head when i was getting a couple gelcaps... think i'm going overboard a little.<br><br><br><br>
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mybleedingheart,<br><br><br><br>
I thought that maybe this 'Nutritional Wisdom' radio show entitled 'Banish Your Headaches' might help. Just follow the link and scroll down to 1/03/07 under Past Shows in order to download :<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.drfuhrman.com/voiceamerica/nutritional_wisdom.htm" target="_blank">http://www.drfuhrman.com/voiceameric...nal_wisdom.htm</a>
 

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you can totally get vegan jelly beans..<br><br><br><br>
anyway.. things that are necessary for survival (i.e. medications, regardless of coating), i consider ok to use, and not making you any less veg*n.
 

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<b><i>anyway.. things that are necessary for survival (i.e. medications, regardless of coating), i consider ok to use, and not making you any less veg*n.</i></b><br><br><br><br>
I ditto that.<br><br>
OP, I will give you some advice for using advil for you headache. take 600-800 mg once you feel a headache come on. dont wait til it gets too bad because you will have a hard time getting on top of that kind of headache pain. you can take up to 800 mg of ibuprofen every 6 hours, thats the max dose. your headaches sound stress related, so even if you can work 5 min a day of relaxation techniques into your routine it may help. look at things you can do to make your day less stressful.
 
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