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A man has been jailed for a record four years for a campaign of intimidation against an animal testing company.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6423061.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6423061.stm</a>
 

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Oh, so he tried to "intimidate and frighten" the staff, but like they didn'ty already do that to the innocent animals, right?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Lucine</strong> <a href="/forum/post/0"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Oh, so he tried to "intimidate and frighten" the staff, but like they didn'ty already do that to the innocent animals, right?</div>
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That's exactly what I thought...<br><br>
it's not OK for it to be done to humans, but when it happens to animals, it's perfectly legal.<br><br><br><br>
I don't condone him intimidating people, but why does the same crime go unpunished for people testing on animals? How is that fair?
 

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He got 4 year in jail for going into an office and shouting at people? This news comes on the same day that a man was sentenced to 2 years in jail for killing an old aged pensioner! The laws in this country are totally messed up <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/no.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":no:">
 

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"...<span style="font-size:small;">during which they attacked up to 25 separate targets"<br><br><br><br>
I'm all for activism, but violent actions go entirely against the philosophy of fighting cruelty, IMO.<br><br></span>
 

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When people choose to break the law for a cause they believe in, then they have to face the consequences of breaking the law. I don't think there should be outrage about their jail sentence even from the people who support their actions.<br><br><br><br>
That said, I honestly don't see how breaking into an office and screaming "murderer" at the people who work there is supposed to further any cause. If anything, it makes meaningful dialogue between the two groups impossible.
 

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"...<span style="font-size:small;">during which they attacked up to 25 separate targets"<br><br><br><br>
I'm all for activism, but violent actions go entirely against the philosophy of fighting cruelty, IMO.<br><br></span></div>
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I notice it only says "attacked" it doesn't go into any detail. "Attacks" can mean anything from violence to verbal abuse. There's nothing there that say these so called "attacks" were violent in any way, and I'd hardly call yelling at people violence.
 

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I notice it only says "attacked" it doesn't go into any detail. "Attacks" can mean anything from violence to verbal abuse. There's nothing there that say these so called "attacks" were violent in any way, and I'd hardly call yelling at people violence.</div>
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You might think differently if you were on the receiving end of it MF. Bursting into an office and shouting abuse at people when they're not expecting it freaks people out.<br><br><br><br>
I think a four year sentence is a bit of overkill though (even though he probably wont serve all of that) when it doesnt seem like there was any physical violence involved. But I guess they're trying to make examples of these people because of it being a reasonably new law.
 

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"...<span style="font-size:small;">during which they attacked up to 25 separate targets"<br><br><br><br>
I'm all for activism, but violent actions go entirely against the philosophy of fighting cruelty, IMO.<br><br></span></div>
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You might think differently if you were on the receiving end of it MF. Bursting into an office and shouting abuse at people when they're not expecting it freaks people out.<br><br><br></div>
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True it may "freak people out" I didn't say it didn't, I didn't even say this couldn't be counted as an attack, I simply said it shouldn't be counted as violence. Violence (IMO) involves physical assult. Verbal abuse may be an attack, but it certainly isn't violence.<br><br><br><br>
While I also agree that this sort of action does nothing contructive to help animals or further the animal rights cause I think 4 years is just absurd.<br><br>
If this was done as a prank by teenagers you can assure the police would probably just dismiss it, it's only because these people are ARAs that the sentence was so much.<br><br>
People get less than that for rape and murder and other ACTUAL violence.
 

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True it may "freak people out" I didn't say it didn't, I didn't even say this couldn't be counted as an attack, I simply said it shouldn't be counted as violence. Violence (IMO) involves physical assult. Verbal abuse may be an attack, but it certainly isn't violence.<br></div>
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It is actually violence MF. It's termed "psychological violence".
 

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And I highly doubt they were in there yelling from across the room, "you big meanie!! You big, fat meanie!! You hurt animals! Boo on you!!"<br><br><br><br>
In any case, they broke the law and knew they were doing it. They got caught and are paying the price.<br><br><br><br>
I still think it's wrong to use violence as a means to end violence.
 

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I still think it's wrong to use violence as a means to end violence.</div>
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The state regularly uses violence, and always uses the threat of violence, to prevent violence by its citizens.
 

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What was most disturbing to me was that because they are parents and these jail sentences will effectively keep them away from their children for a year or more, these people placed the well-being of their children <i>below</i> their activism.
 

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According to the APEA, he could of gotten 10 years.<br><br><br><br>
We all could get imprisonment one day.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
Would you still support animal rights, if doing so labeled you as a terrorist?<br><br>
Think about that next time you hand out a leaflet.<br><br><br><br>
How far would you go for them? How important are their lives?
 

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What was most disturbing to me was that because they are parents and these jail sentences will effectively keep them away from their children for a year or more, these people placed the well-being of their children <i>below</i> their activism.</div>
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Thats what struck me as strange when I read it. I was wondering who was going to look after their kids while they do their sentence <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/undecided.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":-/">
 

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that wasn't even a "protest" ... it was a terrorist act. who's going to want to listen to us if that's how we conduct ourselves? please, before you try to stand up for something you believe in, THINK.
 

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Labeling shouting at people an act of terrerism is a stretch IMO. I can see trespassing or harasment - afterall they were where they shouldn't have been - but I don't think the word "terrorist" should just be tossed around lightly. Terrorism is an ugly term that should refer to only the most horrific acts of violent crimes agianst humanity....I don't think shouting or trespassing qualifies.<br><br><br><br>
People who commit truley violent crimes often get less of a sentence. I doubt if it was a bunch of kids who tresspassed or shouted profanities (or similar "offensive" speach) at these people they would be given a slap on the wrist....but because this group of people is involved in animal rights activism they are automatically labled terrorist. Seem's biased and uneven to me.
 
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