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I recently started subscribing to a newsletter called SCIENCY DAILY, and in today's newsletter, there was a headline that said, quite inocuously, "Improving Your Diet May Not Help You Beat Stress," so I clicked on it and read, as I naturally tend to disagree.<br><br><br><br>
I immediately saw that this was a rat study. They fed groups of rats two different diets and then induced stress, and the way they induced stress was to separate the baby rats from their mothers, and then they did another horrifying test after that where they stranded the babies on platforms suspended above water.<br><br><br><br>
Here's the deal: If they understand that these "disposable" mammals bond so intimately with their mothers, how can they justify separating them? We wouldn't do this to human children. Why do we think we're better? It's true that scientific studies with rats yield results for medicine. I get that. But why do we think that our health is more important than the rats' well-being? Just because something is true doesn't mean we should do it. For instance, if I were to kill all the senior people at my work, I'd likely get promoted much more quickly. That doesn't mean that I should or would do such a thing.<br><br><br><br>
I guess it's a human nature thing. White man comes to America and kills off the natives of this land. Genocides occur all over the world, with one group trying to eliminate the other, saying that it's for the good of the dominating people.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know. I never understood the necessity of creating geographic boundaries (your land, my land), and I never felt that my species is superior to others just because my species has opposable thumbs/written language/ creates art/makes fire.<br><br><br><br>
Sorry for the rant. Needed to vent.<br><br><br><br>
By the way, the <i>improved</i> diet included more dairy. All those rats went through all that horror for something vegans have known for a long, long time.<br><br><br><br>
If you want to read the article, <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060706175150.htm" target="_blank">here it is.</a>
 

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Experiments on rats have not yielded any scientific results for the simple reason that rats are not humans! These are pseudo scientific journals,written by vivisectionists who make their financial riches from extorting money from the guillible tax-payer and punishing individual rats through every devious method a diseased mind can muster!<br><br><br><br>
Check out previous thread:<br><br><br><br>
Slaughter of the innocent<br><br>
Naked empress or the great medical fraud<br><br>
1000 Doctors(and many more) against vivisection<br><br>
Author: Medical Historian,Hans Ruesch.<br><br><br><br>
His Foundation called CIVIS;and their reports: <a href="http://www.bava.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CIVISReports.html" target="_blank">http://www.bava.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CIVISReports.html</a><br><br><br><br>
Other books written by individual Scientists and Doctors:<br><br>
Vivisection or Science: A choice to make<br><br>
Author:professor Pietro Croce<br><br><br><br>
Vivisection Unveiled<br><br>
Dr Tony Page<br><br><br><br>
Sacred cows and golden geese:The Human cost of experiments of animals<br><br>
Author<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/grin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":D">r Ray Greek<br><br><br><br>
and there is many others.............
 

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<div class="quote-block">For instance, if I were to kill all the senior people at my work, I'd likely get promoted much more quickly.</div>
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Are you a drug dealer or something?
 

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Geez. No. I just saw a really bad movie on cable, though, where someone killed someone else in order to be advanced in his career!
 

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I recently started subscribing to a newsletter called SCIENCY DAILY, and in today's newsletter, there was a headline that said, quite inocuously, "Improving Your Diet May Not Help You Beat Stress," so I clicked on it and read, as I naturally tend to disagree.<br><br><br><br>
I immediately saw that this was a rat study. They fed groups of rats two different diets and then induced stress, and the way they induced stress was to separate the baby rats from their mothers, and then they did another horrifying test after that where they stranded the babies on platforms suspended above water.<br><br><br><br>
Here's the deal: If they understand that these "disposable" mammals bond so intimately with their mothers, how can they justify separating them? We wouldn't do this to human children. Why do we think we're better? It's true that scientific studies with rats yield results for medicine. I get that. But why do we think that our health is more important than the rats' well-being? Just because something is true doesn't mean we should do it. For instance, if I were to kill all the senior people at my work, I'd likely get promoted much more quickly. That doesn't mean that I should or would do such a thing.<br><br><br><br>
I guess it's a human nature thing. White man comes to America and kills off the natives of this land. Genocides occur all over the world, with one group trying to eliminate the other, saying that it's for the good of the dominating people.<br><br><br><br>
I don't know. I never understood the necessity of creating geographic boundaries (your land, my land), and I never felt that my species is superior to others just because my species has opposable thumbs/written language/ creates art/makes fire.</div>
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I agree with all of what you said, except that I hope it really isn't human nature. Because if it is, there's not much of a prospect of change for the better.
 

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It is ridiculous that humans put themselves above all other living beings. I don't feel that my life is any more valuable than any of the animals I keep or rescue. I would happily die to save the animals that share my home with me because they can't save themselves.<br><br><br><br>
The other day my boyfriend and I were discussing the "food chain" and I mentioned that even if every human went vegan, we would still be at the top of the food chain because <i>nothing eats us</i>. We are not part of any animal's dietary menu [not their natural one, anyway].<br><br><br><br>
So he said, "Well if a lion eats a human, he is above us on the food chain if we don't eat him." I immediately thought of mosquitos, who kill people with West Nile Virus, and couldn't help but wonder what he would think if I said mosquitos are now above us on the food chain all because of what he just said.<br><br><br><br>
If people want a cure, they should volunteer their own bodies for it. I have Chron's Disease and if they didn't have a cure, I'd volunteer my body to science to find one so future generations would not have to live through the agony I do.<br><br><br><br>
Humans are self-absorbed and petty cowards. I don't think the human race [in general] will ever change these common characteristics.
 

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True, but if it isn't, then how else did we get where we are?</div>
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Well, I think it just happened. Not everything we do has to arise from our "nature".
 

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Well, I think it just happened. Not everything we do has to arise from our "nature".</div>
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I don't like the 'it's our nature' argument either. I hear it to often as a defence:<br><br>
- I can't live without meat, humans are designed to eat it<br><br>
- People are agressive by nature, violent sport is good for catharsis<br><br>
- He can't be blamed for cheating, it's unnatural for a man to be with just one woman<br><br>
etc etc
 
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