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After reading about the Chineese dog and cat fur trade abominations (along with the graphic video that's been circulating the internet) I spent a good part of the afternoon reading through an american site that represents the american mink and fox fur trade, www.furcommission.com

Pretty interesting stuff. There's a lot of effort put in to try and make their whole industry seem very eco-friendly. The words "renewable resource" are thrown around liberally. They mention how there's a lot of recycling, and how if it wasn't for them, the mink would probably be extinct! Going on the whole the children are our future theme, they've even got a downloadable "We Think Mink" activity book for kids to educate them on the so-called benefits of the fur industry.

What really got me going was this editorial about how great fur is, and how there's no better use for fur on the planet than as a fur coat:

"Just as a butterfly is never aware of the beautiful patterns on its wings, so a mink will wear its soft coat until death without ever appreciating it. For the mink, fur is just something that it carries around in the battle to survive, like claws or teeth. By being made into a fur coat, that mink's pelt is raised into something higher, just as a tree made into a violin is raised, or a cow made into a sumptuous steak is raised. A raw material becomes part of the human world; fur isn't just on the back of an animal scratching around for food, but is instead worked on and admired as art. Indeed, it is only really by becoming a coat that a mink's life can be said to have had any purpose at all."

They (along with a representative of the Chineese Fur and Leather Commission) also had a comment on the Heather Mills McCartney video showing the dogs being skinned alive and the cats being boiled alive. They questioned the authenticity of the video, stating that nobody in their right mind would choose to skin a live animal to obtain fur.

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Their logic is flawed though. I believe the people shown tormenting those dogs and cats, going out of their way to make their last moments of life as cruel as possible are unhappy and frustrated with their own lives. Since humans have been domesticating and slaughtering animals, those who have held those jobs tended to be of a lower socio-economic ranking. It was true in 8th century India, the modern fur market in China, or a meat packing plant in Kansas today. The frustration over unmet potential in life, poor working conditions, long hours, messy work, and low pay is unfortunately taken out on the already exploited animals in the form of torture and abuse; thus making a bad situation (the mass killing of animals for food) even worse. Any attempts by the leaders of the meat and fur industries to try and deny this torture is happening is really pathetic. I know I'm preaching to the choir by posting this here, but it's just so damn frustrating that people continue to make a living at the expense of those who work in the plants and of course, the animals. How does someone like Mr. Perdue sleep at night or look himself in the mirror each morning?

I read veggieboards almost everyday, but post very little. I just had to share my thoughts and knowing that this was read by other kindred spirits makes me feel like the venting was worth it :)

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Welcome to VB. Your username caught my eye. How creative!
 

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That's the same sort of philosopy used by the slave-holding South prior to the US Civil War. They had taken these people out of the jungle (where they were not being used to their full potential), cloathed them, fed them and given them a "reason to live." It is strange to assume that every Reason to live is in connection to its benefit to people. Certain people truly believe this, and do not see it as exploitation because they are "animals" and God gave them to man to use (or is it ab-use?).
 

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A cow is 'raised into something higher' by being made into steak?? A lump of flesh is 'higher' than an intelligent, living creature? These people have a weird mindset to be able to write that stuff...
 

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I love how human useage is the be all and end all for things that are put on this earth. Personally I'm not a Creationist, so I beleive that certain creatures existed thousands of years before humans, and will continue to do so when we have long ceased to exist. They are not ours to use - they are powerful beings in their own right, with a seperate life and existance that is not part of our world. We are an interdependant planet, but not one ruled by one species. At least, we shouldn't be.

And welcome, by the way, enjoy airing your views here!

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"Just as a butterfly is never aware of the beautiful patterns on its wings, so a mink will wear its soft coat until death without ever appreciating it. For the mink, fur is just something that it carries around in the battle to survive, like claws or teeth. By being made into a fur coat, that mink's pelt is raised into something higher, just as a tree made into a violin is raised, or a cow made into a sumptuous steak is raised. A raw material becomes part of the human world; fur isn't just on the back of an animal scratching around for food, but is instead worked on and admired as art. Indeed, it is only really by becoming a coat that a mink's life can be said to have had any purpose at all."


It never fails to amaze me how arrogant some people can be. Why can't some people see the beauty in something until they destroy it? Minks, cows and trees are miracles of science/nature/God. Perhaps a violin is art, but not as impressive as a living tree. Mink coats and steaks are certainly not art. They are examples of mankind's degradation a destruction of living creatures.

PS Welcome to VB, Dictatortot!
 

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I started to browse through the site you had posted. I read a page or two. Then I got mad and started yelling at the computer and mom made me go for a walk. How can people actually think that killing animals (and basically everything else) is good? and how can they say that its eco-friendly?????
 

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re: the Fur commission text. To quote Janice from Friends: "oh - my - Goooooood".

Well, what can you expect from people who defend a cruel industry that even many average omnis see as controversial. It's sad that I belong to the same species with them.
 

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Originally Posted by Sevenseas View Post

Well, what can you expect from people who defend a cruel industry that even many average omnis see as controversial. It's sad that I belong to the same species with them.
Ugh. As soon as I was old enough to know where the fur coats (and other fur products) came from I couldn't stand them. That was as a child, and I can't imagine an adult actually trying to sugar coat this type of thing. I mean, just say it for what it is.

Oh man, I can't think about this topic too much. It makes me too sad.

Really, how did I not become vegetarian years ago?
 

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Welcome to the board! I honestly laughed when I read that paragraph about minks evolving to higher status when they become a coat and cows can become a scrumptious steak. Nothing surprises me anymore, I mean honestly...did a 5 year old write this? That is the kind of logic that it reminds me of, except most 5 year olds are probably smarter then this.

This world makes me bitter, I swear.
 

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What I dont get is how ppl can be horrified that cats and dogs are skinned for their 'fur' but its not even the slightest bit upsetting to them to wear leather or mink or any other type of animal material. As if its not the same damn thing. Dogs. Rabbits. Ferretts. Cats. Theyre the same. I dont get it. How does someone fail to make that connection???
 
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