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Right now I don't care for grammar so please I will try my best ok.<br><br>
If you know what I am saying but it was hard to understand a little bit, you have my ok to change it a little bit so people understand me..<br><br>
My pepples has kidney disease, the last appointment I had of her mention her test results were high from her kidney... As I don't really remember all, and I don't wanna ask mom cause she's already having it hard.<br><br>
From her last appointment she was 8 pounds.<br>
From x-mas till last week she was eating somewhat but drinking and eating cat treats.<br>
At tuesday mom notice she wasn't really eating or drinking, I also notice she isn't really going to the bathroom either.<br><br>
When pebble's eats she uses her tongue to lick the gravy or other fluids, but the foods she had was mash so she was able to get her food like that.<br><br>
Pebble's does have problems with her teeth, meaning she has bad breath and her teeth aren't that bright too. The vet gave a option to put her under to get her teeth cleaned but mom didn't wanna do it because she was afraid pebble's would die in her sleep.<br><br>
I checked her gums, it isn't red just the normal gums for pepple's.. There isn't tooth stuck in her throat either.<br><br>
When I would pick her up, she would do a little cry because her belly was touched.<br><br><br>
Things pebble's did, sometimes upstairs while mom was gone pebble's would make a loud weird noise she also do it downstairs, mom mention maybe it's cause she is deaf.<br><br>
this is what she is doing now<br>
Pepple's walks jumps and purs if you keep patting her, while she is walking I have seen she almost lost her balance but got it back from her reaction. Her body moves a little bit like a really old person.<br><br>
I just don't know what to do, she was all fine last week and tuesday she wasn't like this.
 

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You need to take her to the vet immediately. From there the vet can discuss your options with you. There's really nothing anyone here can do. You need to book the appointment today and have her see the vet today as well. Make sure that the vet clinic understands that she is not eating and that she seems to have dramatically worsened. The sooner she gets in the better.<br><br>
In the meantime you can try heating up some canned food mixed with a bit of water. A few seconds in the microwave is generally enough, test it to make sure it isn't too hot. Heating the food makes it smell more and can encourage a cat to eat. Make sure she's warm enough and that she's not trying to jump or climb anything that she could lose her balance on and hurt herself.<br><br>
Please get her to the vet right away.
 

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You need to take her to the vet immediately. From there the vet can discuss your options with you. There's really nothing anyone here can do. You need to book the appointment today and have her see the vet today as well. Make sure that the vet clinic understands that she is not eating and that she seems to have dramatically worsened. The sooner she gets in the better.<br><br>
In the meantime you can try heating up some canned food mixed with a bit of water. A few seconds in the microwave is generally enough, test it to make sure it isn't too hot. Heating the food makes it smell more and can encourage a cat to eat. Make sure she's warm enough and that she's not trying to jump or climb anything that she could lose her balance on and hurt herself.<br><br>
Please get her to the vet right away.</div>
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I watch her a lot including my mother, pebble's doesn't jump at all but sometimes while on the couch or something she would get off which she don't loose her balance.. I have already done all those stuff before you typed that, I did thought she doesn't have smell but she does so she still doesn't eat her or lick it unless she's hungry I guess.<br><br>
She does go's outside and does normal stuff just she isn't really eating or drinking water just a little but that so much, I think pebble's is constipated that would make anyone not wanna go to the bathroom. Mom gave her a little bit of milk like 1% with some water too add with it.<br>
Still I hope the little bit of water down milk would help her go to the bathroom, while the litter box is close to her.<br><br>
The vet knows about pebbles situation, she asked some questions then told mom when you know it's her time to go <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":(">.<br><br>
I do have a question, could pebble not wanna eat because she's constipated or it's because of her teeth?
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I hate to be the downer here, but she is very old, and she could be nearing that time no one wants to come. When animals stop eating and drinking much, it usually means that they're nearing there time. The best thing to do now is to make her comfortable and shower her with love.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>obankobi</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2845766"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> I hate to be the downer here, but she is very old, and she could be nearing that time no one wants to come. When animals stop eating and drinking much, it usually means that they're nearing there time. The best thing to do now is to make her comfortable and shower her with love.</div>
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You aren't being a downer, mom and I know she is well aware of that.. I rather she isn't in pain at all, but I am not gonna put her down all because she might be constipated. Vet just ask some questions.<br><br>
It's just hard on blackie and mittins because they know, they still wanna play with her or piss her off.<br>
Ya mom and I are doing that.<br><br>
But it's a very hard choice to make, I mean what if so called pain was really she couldn't poop and needed something to help her poop. But mom decided to listen to people and put pebble's down.. That is why I am looking at every option, when it's her time it's her time..
 

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You aren't being a downer, mom and I know she is well aware of that.. I rather she isn't in pain at all, but I am not gonna put her down all because she might be constipated. Vet just ask some questions.<br><br>
It's just hard on blackie and mittins because they know, they still wanna play with her or piss her off.<br>
Ya mom and I are doing that.<br><br>
But it's a very hard choice to make, I mean what if so called pain was really she couldn't poop and needed something to help her poop. But mom decided to listen to people and put pebble's down.. That is why I am looking at every option, when it's her time it's her time..</div>
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If she's constipated the vet can give her an enema or laxatives. She should be (should have been for awhile) getting subcutaneous fluids that you can administer at home to help with hydration - that can really prolong life. If she's shaky, it could be low potassium, which can lead to muscle weakness, and that can be handled too - you'd need a blood test to know. Sometimes kidney failure can bring nausea which makes them not want to eat, and cat doses of pepsid can help with that. And other ways that the effects of kidney disease can be handled. Here's a nice site about chronic renal failure: <a href="http://www.felinecrf.org/" target="_blank">http://www.felinecrf.org/</a> I wonder why your vet is not very proactive about treating this? It's not that expensive if you do meds at home. She can also be given low doses of pain meds to help with pain, if it comes and goes. Can you talk to the vet? Or see a different one?<br><br>
Or if you feel that 20 years is a good run for a cat and just want to let it happen without intervention (except euthanasia when she gets too uncomfortable), o.k. But there probably are things you can do to help her and make her more comfortable, if you'd prefer to give her more time.
 

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If she's constipated the vet can give her an enema or laxatives. She should be (should have been for awhile) getting subcutaneous fluids that you can administer at home to help with hydration - that can really prolong life. If she's shaky, it could be low potassium, which can lead to muscle weakness, and that can be handled too - you'd need a blood test to know. Sometimes kidney failure can bring nausea which makes them not want to eat, and cat doses of pepsid can help with that. And other ways that the effects of kidney disease can be handled. Here's a nice site about chronic renal failure: <a href="http://www.felinecrf.org/" target="_blank">http://www.felinecrf.org/</a> I wonder why your vet is not very proactive about treating this? It's not that expensive if you do meds at home. She can also be given low doses of pain meds to help with pain, if it comes and goes. Can you talk to the vet? Or see a different one?<br><br>
Or if you feel that 20 years is a good run for a cat and just want to let it happen without intervention (except euthanasia when she gets too uncomfortable), o.k. But there probably are things you can do to help her and make her more comfortable, if you'd prefer to give her more time.</div>
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I will let my mother read this, because I don't think pebble's is ready to leave mom's side just yet.. I know pebble's is isn't in any pain.<br>
I will see what mom has to say, cause mom did chat with the vet today on the phone.. But when I mention to mom tell her (I think pebble's might be constipated) I forget what the vet mention, so I don't really know for sure, mom said that (cats who have kidney disease will have lost of appetite)<br><br>
Sometimes I wish I can understand cats, I don't know if mom and I did those stuff would she just be hurting.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Irizary</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2845802"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If she's constipated the vet can give her an enema or laxatives. She should be (should have been for awhile) getting subcutaneous fluids that you can administer at home to help with hydration - that can really prolong life. If she's shaky, it could be low potassium, which can lead to muscle weakness, and that can be handled too - you'd need a blood test to know. Sometimes kidney failure can bring nausea which makes them not want to eat, and cat doses of pepsid can help with that. And other ways that the effects of kidney disease can be handled. Here's a nice site about chronic renal failure: <a href="http://www.felinecrf.org/" target="_blank">http://www.felinecrf.org/</a> I wonder why your vet is not very proactive about treating this? It's not that expensive if you do meds at home. She can also be given low doses of pain meds to help with pain, if it comes and goes. Can you talk to the vet? Or see a different one?<br><br>
Or if you feel that 20 years is a good run for a cat and just want to let it happen without intervention (except euthanasia when she gets too uncomfortable), o.k. But there probably are things you can do to help her and make her more comfortable, if you'd prefer to give her more time.</div>
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What Irizary said.<br><br>
I've had a number of old cats with renal (kidney) failure, and have done these things for them. I'm surprised that the vet didn't discuss all of these ways you could help Pepples.<br><br>
Untreated kidney failure is not a comfortable way to die.
 

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What Irizary said.<br><br>
I've had a number of old cats with renal (kidney) failure, and have done these things for them. I'm surprised that the vet didn't discuss all of these ways you could help Pepples.<br><br>
Untreated kidney failure is not a comfortable way to die.</div>
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This is what mom told me<br>
The vet did discus the iv including subcutaneous fluids from home as mom told me... She was very good with pebble's, she would sometimes check on pebble's if she has time.. Also did blood test every time she comes in even double check those blood test.. The shaking part I think it's do to not eating, because couple of days I wasn't easting so I was shaking too.<br><br>
Mom also said pepple's been having kidney disease since 3 years ago not 10 years ago.<br><br>
Mom and I make sure pebble's is drinking water so she don't have hydration but maintaining that so pebble's doesn't over do the drinking. She is also eating some food she eating took some big chucks, that I almost cried.. Maybe pebble's isn't constipated and maybe she's gonna go poop tonight I hope.<br><br>
I honestly don't know how to treat kidney, but I know mom and I had gave her med's before place in her food but she was smart and didn't eat that part.<br><br>
I apologies for my grammar at times, I try my very best to make it seem understanding even too me lol.
 

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pepple's is the brown one, blackie is on the left and mittins is on the right.. Was taking last year. She was eating<br>
The picture was taking today, that is what she looks like.. When you pat her you feel the upper bones, and her ribs, it started around saturday or sunday, while she was sleeping mom freaked out and told me to look at pepple's she thought the worst. I just went over patted her, and he head seem like it was about to drop.. Then she got up, mom was revealed. She stopped eating around tuesday but now she's eating very little.
 

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Mom and I make sure pebble's is drinking water so she don't have hydration but maintaining that so pebble's doesn't over do the drinking.</div>
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Please don't ever stop a cat, especially one with kidney failure, from drinking as much as she wants. That should NEVER be done. (The only exception is limiting the amount of water a cat drinks right out of surgery, before she has fully recovered from anesthesia, or in preparation for having anesthesia.) Other than when coming out of anesthesia, cats, including young, healthy cats, should be encouraged to drink as much as possible by always having readily accessible supplies of water.<br><br>
Drinking water, even lots of water, is no substitute for hydrating a cat in kidney failure with subcutaneous fluids. If your vet did discuss all this with your mother, then your mother either misunderstood what the vet said, or has chosen not to do anything proactively to help Pepple.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>keithloveanimal</strong> <a href="/forum/post/2846584"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=6c84fd4752067d216b38d529b476fa6d&attachmentid=14899" title="">Attachment 14899</a>Pepple's is the brown one, blackie is on the left and mittins is on the right.. Was taking last year. She was eating<br><a href="http://www.veggieboards.com/newvb/attachment.php?s=6c84fd4752067d216b38d529b476fa6d&attachmentid=14900" title="">Attachment 14900</a>The picture was taking today, that is what she looks like.. When you pat her you feel the upper bones, and her ribs, it started around saturday or sunday, while she was sleeping mom freaked out and told me to look at pepple's she thought the worst. I just went over patted her, and he head seem like it was about to drop.. Then she got up, mom was revealed. She stopped eating around tuesday but now she's eating very little.</div>
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Cute kitties. This thread makes me sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Sounds like you're doing everything right though, I'm sure she appreciates how much the two of you care.
 

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Mom and I make sure pebble's is drinking water so she don't have hydration but maintaining that so pebble's doesn't over do the drinking.</div>
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NO! Like mlp said, never restrict a cat with kidney failure from drinking! It's really impossible for her to overdo the drinking. If your mother thinks this is necessary to restrict the fluids, please have her check with the vet who I'm sure will say that she should drink as much as possible!<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">mom and I had gave her med's before place in her food but she was smart and didn't eat that part.</div>
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There is something called "Pill Pockets" which is a treat that you put a pill into, and many cats find it palatable. I'd look for those - you can buy them at many vets' offices and probably at places like Petsmart (as bad as they are for selling live animals). Sometimes though you just hae to open a cat's mouth and pop a pill in. The vet tech can show you how to do that.
 

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I tend to use baby food, for some reason cats love that stuff.
 

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Please don't ever stop a cat, especially one with kidney failure, from drinking as much as she wants. That should NEVER be done. (The only exception is limiting the amount of water a cat drinks right out of surgery, before she has fully recovered from anesthesia, or in preparation for having anesthesia.) Other than when coming out of anesthesia, cats, including young, healthy cats, should be encouraged to drink as much as possible by always having readily accessible supplies of water.<br><br>
Drinking water, even lots of water, is no substitute for hydrating a cat in kidney failure with subcutaneous fluids. If your vet did discuss all this with your mother, then your mother either misunderstood what the vet said, or has chosen not to do anything proactively to help Pepple.</div>
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I was making sure pepple's was getting water, but I thought you can drown from a lot of water.. So I was scared that is why I probably of mention it.<br><br>
I wasn't aware about hydrating, even with enough water.. My mother of mention this to me after she talked to the vet.. But the iv thing looks a little scary.<br><br>
Pepple's is going on saturday cause she is pretty booked and their wasn't a way she can see her sooner. So she told mom to check of those signs about her trying to poop. Mom also said that the vet would do all the checks even the bowl-movement.<br><br>
If it wasn't for me making a message here and getting the support, also from that link reading more about it..<br><br>
Pebble's is at 7.5 pound now, she was 7 I hope for 8 then 9.. What I and mom was doing is putting food to her mouth so she would wanna eat it or not. Mom calls me (pebble's nurse)<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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Cute kitties. This thread makes me sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=":("> Sounds like you're doing everything right though, I'm sure she appreciates how much the two of you care.</div>
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Ya I know what you mean, stuff does make people sad when their isn't anything a person can do. Ya pebble's loves the attention.<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
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NO! Like mlp said, never restrict a cat with kidney failure from drinking! It's really impossible for her to overdo the drinking. If your mother thinks this is necessary to restrict the fluids, please have her check with the vet who I'm sure will say that she should drink as much as possible!<br><br>
There is something called "Pill Pockets" which is a treat that you put a pill into, and many cats find it palatable. I'd look for those - you can buy them at many vets' offices and probably at places like Petsmart (as bad as they are for selling live animals). Sometimes though you just hae to open a cat's mouth and pop a pill in. The vet tech can show you how to do that.</div>
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When it comes to pills, it depends on pebble's lol she's stubborn.. Mom never thought to restrict anything from pebble's.
 

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I was making sure pepple's was getting water, but I thought you can drown from a lot of water.. So I was scared that is why I probably of mention it.<br><br>
I wasn't aware about hydrating, even with enough water.. My mother of mention this to me after she talked to the vet.. But the iv thing looks a little scary.</div>
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I don't really think it's possible for a cat to "drown" from drinking too much water. What you might be thinking of are the very rare times when people - often on a dare - force themselves to drink too much water and might trigger a heart attack. Cats are smarter than this. If YOU were forcing too much water into a cat, by injecting <i>too many</i> fluids into them, you might be able to do that too, but they're not going to drink too much on their own. In other words, there is no worry that she will drink too much water on her own, and she should be provided with as much as she wants to drink, and even encouraged to drink, if she's in kidney failure.<br><br>
The bag and needles might look scary, but they're to help her, so it's a good thing. It's not actually iv - which means "intravenous," or that it goes into the vein - but "subcutaneous," which means the water is injected under the skin and absorbs into the body. Because it goes under the skin and not into a vein, it's much easier for an average person to administer this to their cat.
 

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I have done sub Q fluids on cats and it is very easy. It is worth the effort because it makes a huge difference in their quality of life. I'm glad you have an appointment for tomorrow.<br><br>
As for pills, I had a cat that was nearly impossible to pill. I found the best way to give him meds was to crush it between two spoons and then add a little bit of chicken broth (make sure it doesn't have onion in it) or water from a can of tuna (only use the kind with water, not oil) and suck it up into a syringe and then put it in their mouth. I usually scruff them and put the syringe back toward their molars and give it to them.<br><br>
I have also had success in pilling cats by putting the pill on the back of their tounge and chasing it with a syringe of chicken broth or tuna water or sometimes just plain water.
 

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Kidney failure causes the kidney to be unable to regulate the things it should be, like hydration, metabolic waste and electrolytes. All of these contribute to why a cat will be shakey. The body is breaking down muscle for some of these electrolytes as well, which leads to inadequate strength to stand steady.<br><br>
A cat in chronic renal failure (CRF) can not drink enough water to stay properly hydrated. As a result the body conserve as much water as possible from the intestines to help maintain hydration. This causes very hard, dry feces that are difficult to pass, hence sonstipation and sometimes anal gland problems.<br><br>
Dehydration and metabolic waste build up (especially urea from protein metabolism) will also cause nausea and lack of appetite, cause further weight loss and deterioration.<br><br>
CRF can not be stopped or reversed, but we can do therapy to help maintain a cat as healthy and comfortable as possible. Subcutaneous fluids for dehydration. Lower protein food, but better quality for better digestion and absorption and producing less nitrogen from metabolism (yes, meat is best here). Low phosphorus food, kidney's are not getting rid of it. Vitamin B12 injections, not getting it from the diet as well (not entirely sure how this helps, but it does). Nitrogen binder in food: azodyl or epikatin-poop out the waste if it can't be peed out.<br><br>
Failing kidneys hurt, NSAIDS can make it worse decreasing blood flow to middle of kidney, opiods are our friends here. Dehydration and metabolic waste build up affect mentation (brain activity) and nausea, not pleasant either. If your cat is in untreated or undertreated CRF, she's in some pain (which can also make a cat not eat).
 

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Mom and I came back around 12pm, to let everyone know pepple's was dehydrated.. Thank you everyone from helping now mom and I have the tools to know about kidney disease.<br><br>
Dr gave her sub fluid's and said in a couple a days she will feel better or now, for some reason pebble's went on my bed and it's little high up so I don't know how she got there.. My heart almost dropped, now I have to watch her for that to.<br>
Mom also buy food with low protein, as the other cats went mental and wanted her food -_-...<br><br>
She is licking her self now, she hasn't done that in a while..
 
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