[taurushead]

aa the glory that is eating what i want!!

its so much easier!

but two questions still puzzle me!!

1. is cholesterol reversible?

2. sugar. i know that the whole stealing nutrients thing is a bit exagerated. as is the feeding cancer stuff. so the only reason sugar's bad is the whole insulin spike yes? which means as long as you eat lots of good stuff too, if the sugar is in low gi form (ie with protein or something. anything that doesn't spike) its just another harmless source of energy? or am i missing something??? and the whole insulin resistance thing..is from constant SPIKING not constant SUGAR, right?

(if that makes sense..)

 

[Elijah]

1. Yes, https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article15.aspx Look at the right side of that page and look at the before and after cholesterol. Is this what you were asking?

2. Is is a nutrient exempt food, it contains zero nutrients. Insulin resistance is caused by their being to much fat around the cells. You need a lot more insulin to get the glucose in with some fat vs little fat. So Insulin resistance is not from constant spiking it is from being fat. Now insulin deficiency (type 1 diabetics) just mean there is damage done to the pancreas and it cannot produce enough for the body.

I can get you an small article that explains sugars, diabetes in great detail. It is a pdf and I can email it to you if you would like it.

 

[jitka]

Hi Elijah, I'd be interested in that article on diabetes. Could you please mail it to me. thanks!

 

[jitka]

Hi Elijah, I'd be interested in that article on diabetes. Could you please mail it to me. thanks!

 

[taurushead]

ohhh ok. yeah that makes sense.

i was just confused. because all the information used to sound like 'if you eat sugar..insulin does this..your body does that..eventually you die' and now it sounds more like 'if you eat sugar, eat it a little at a time and with fibre etc its totally fine'.

and gotcha, re: cholesterol.

thats what i wanted to know

you're awesome.

xoxoxo

 

[Thalia]

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Originally Posted by Elijah

Insulin resistance is caused by their being to much fat around the cells.

I thought the cause of insulin resistance is something that is still being extensively researched because scientists are unsure. Do you have more information about this?

 

[gaya]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thalia

I thought the cause of insulin resistance is something that is still being extensively researched because scientists are unsure. Do you have more information about this?

I wouldn't say fat around cells...insulin resistance can result from stretched adipose cells. For some reason, one i'm sure someone here is familiar with, the increased surface area of the cell causes the mechanism for glucose transport to malfunction. Even so, you are correct in that there are probably several reasons for insulin resistance.

 

[gaya]

Quote:

Originally Posted by taurushead

ohhh ok. yeah that makes sense.

i was just confused. because all the information used to sound like 'if you eat sugar..insulin does this..your body does that..eventually you die' and now it sounds more like 'if you eat sugar, eat it a little at a time and with fibre etc its totally fine'.

and gotcha, re: cholesterol.

thats what i wanted to know

you're awesome.

xoxoxo

just so you know...you want your HDL to increase, not decrease because HDL removes bad cholesterol. In general it's good to keep your insulin levels down but at the same time insulin benefits as there are some type of anti-cancer affects going on. I was speaking with a collegue yesterday who mentioned the use of insulin with cancer patients. That's pretty interesting tho I haven't looked into it.

The biggest culprit with cholesterol production is carbs, starches in particular. It is good to consume your sugar products with fiber (like fruit) because roughly 60% gets absorbed while the fiber takes the other 40% with it (roughly).

 

[taurushead]

wow, gaya how interesting!! but carbs and cholesterol, huh? interrrresting

 

[Elijah]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thalia

I thought the cause of insulin resistance is something that is still being extensively researched because scientists are unsure. Do you have more information about this?

Read this section -
Quote:

Type 2 Diabetes (also called adult onset diabetes)

on this page

http://drfuhrman.com/disease/Diabetes.aspx

The studies are not listed on that page but it is backed up with scientific literature. I will post the references when I find them.

I agree with Gaya in a sense that you want your HDL to go up but if you lower your LDL then it is not as important. In other words I believe for it to be ok for your HDL to lower along with your LDL if it is done with a natural plant based diet and not done with drugs.

And remember that lipid profiles are only 1 of 20 risk factors for heart disease.

 

[VeganClaudia]

Yes, I have also been told that HDL doesn't matter as long as you eat healthfully and have an LDL below 100. Apparently the idea is that if you don't have much bad cholesterol in the first place, then it becomes less important to have a high level of good in there to remove the bad.

If I remember correctly from the Framingham Heart Study, I don't believe that there was even a single heart attack that occurred among study participants that had an LDL below 100, and a total cholesterol under 150.

BTW, when I switched from lacto-vegetarian to vegan, my total cholesterol dropped pretty dramatically, and it seems to just be getting better and better over the years. At last testing, LDL was 58, Total Cholesterol 134, HDL 65, Triglycerides 53, and Glucose 88.

 

[gaya]

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeganClaudia

Yes, I have also been told that HDL doesn't matter as long as you eat healthfully and have an LDL below 100. Apparently the idea is that if you don't have much bad cholesterol in the first place, then it becomes less important to have a high level of good in there to remove the bad.

If I remember correctly from the Framingham Heart Study, I don't believe that there was even a single heart attack that occurred among study participants that had an LDL below 100, and a total cholesterol under 150.

BTW, when I switched from lacto-vegetarian to vegan, my total cholesterol dropped pretty dramatically, and it seems to just be getting better and better over the years. At last testing, LDL was 58, Total Cholesterol 134, HDL 65, Triglycerides 53, and Glucose 88.

oops, i forgot about this thread. You have great HDL and I understand what you're saying but the first thing i think of when i see an HDL of 35, for example, is exercise. Also, I've read that HDL in conjunction with with hormones (like estrogen) have benefits outside of its role of carrying LDL away. I don't know much about fats but the only sure fire method i've ever heard of for raising HDL is movement.

 

[4EverGrounded]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elijah

... So Insulin resistance is not from constant spiking it is from being fat.

Tres odd as my FIL developed type 2 diabeties and he wasn't fat at all.

And according to Dr. Ray Strand's book, Freedom From Fat, it does explain that insulin resistancy DOES come from constant spiking and according to his logic, that constant spiking will eventually lead to some sort of insulin resistance problems which will, over time, lead to pre-diabetes or full on diabetes.

Refined foods like crackers, breaks, cakes and the like are more likely to cause spikes than foods like beans or veggies (which, according to him is the reason a person should reach for whole foods LONG before they reach for the refined/processed ones).

Just my .02

 

[gaya]

Quote:

Originally Posted by taurushead

wow, gaya how interesting!! but carbs and cholesterol, huh? interrrresting

yea, it is interesting and it sucks (i love carbs). sugar and insulin combined aid in the initiation of fat synthesis...meh.

 

[taurushead]

but if you were being spiked

you'd feel it, right? because..i swear it doesn't happen to me!! so..does that make it ok.. ?