[Werewolf Girl]

<a href="http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/1200-1500-mink-released-from-iowa-fur-farm/" target="_blank">http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/1...iowa-fur-farm/</a><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Between <a href="http://www.kcci.com/news/29420204/detail.html#ixzz1aLnbFZLT" target="_blank">1,200 and 1,500 mink were illegally released</a> on October 7, 2011 from a rural residence near Jewell, which is 56 miles north of Des Moines, Iowa. The Sheriff said unknown persons opened pens in several buildings and let the mink loose.<br>
The Sheriffs Department, Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation and FBI are investigating the case. Officials said the incident is considered an act of domestic terrorism.</div>
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"Domestic terrorism" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[LedBoots]

Run, little minkies, run!!!!!!!!

 

[LadyMetal87]

Domestic terrorism? That's a new one!

 

[peace]

That hasn't happened in a while ...

 

[Forster]

These animals are not equipped to survive in the wild. Most are going to suffer quite horribly. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/sad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[sequoia]

^ Would you rather live your short life in a cage and be skinned alive/anally electrocuted, or take your chance in the wild, where the worst-case-scenario is that you die a quick death by becoming a wolf's dinner?<br><br>
I know which one I'd choose.

 

[Phoenix Days]

Run run run! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[Forster]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sequoia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010469"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
^ Would you rather live your short life in a cage and be skinned alive/anally electrocuted, or take your chance in the wild, where the worst-case-scenario is that you die a quick death by becoming a wolf's dinner?<br><br>
I know which one I'd choose.</div>
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Neither if the truth be told. Also the worst case scenario isn't going to be a quick lunch by a wolf. The vast majority will starve to death.<br><br>
On one hand I applaud the folks wanting to save these creatures on the other hand I want to smack them upside the head for the way they went about it. They are doing nothing to stop fur "farms" and are galvanizing the opposition and imo hurting the cause all while causing much suffering to the animals they want to save.

 

[Ira]

awesome! i support those domestic terrorists! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="">

 

[sallyomally]

What's so sad is that the little things don't know how to survive in the wild, but would die a horrific death in captivity as well. Hopefully some of the stronger ones will make it, but my heart breaks for those who'll wind up starving to death. At the very least, they'll know what freedom feels like, even if only for short while. Poor little innocent victims of human greed.

 

[sallyomally]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Forster</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010638"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Neither if the truth be told. Also the worst case scenario isn't going to be a quick lunch by a wolf. The vast majority will starve to death.<br><br>
On one hand I applaud the folks wanting to save these creatures on the other hand I want to smack them upside the head for the way they went about it. They are doing nothing to stop fur "farms" and are galvanizing the opposition and imo hurting the cause all while causing much suffering to the animals they want to save.</div>
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Sad but true.

 

[sequoia]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Forster</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010638"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Neither if the truth be told. Also the worst case scenario isn't going to be a quick lunch by a wolf. The vast majority will starve to death.<br><br>
On one hand I applaud the folks wanting to save these creatures on the other hand I want to smack them upside the head for the way they went about it. They are doing nothing to stop fur "farms" and are galvanizing the opposition and imo hurting the cause all while causing much suffering to the animals they want to save.</div>
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Fur farms DO get closed down from actions like this.

 

[Forster]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sequoia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010711"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Fur farms DO get closed down from actions like this.</div>
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And new ones open up.<br><br>
There has been virtually no change in Mink production since 1992... almost 20 years. IMO the way to combat fur farming is through education, reduce the demand and destroy the economic incentive to produce it in the first place. As long as there are people who want fur and can afford to pay for fur there are going to be people who raise animals for fur.<br><br>
How groups conduct themselves goes a long way to promoting their cause. Image is everything. The vast majority of people are not consumers of fur, they don't think about it one way or the other and haven't formed an opinion on the subject. This is the group of people you need to win to your side, get enough of them outraged about the animals plight and legislation will happen or conversely you can make your cause look like a bunch of radical *holes to these people by destroying working peoples property. I'm not saying it's right but this is how these type of activities are looked upon by most people.<br><br>
Why do you think so many people who are not in tune with animal rights hate groups like PETA? It's not that they are bad people and hate animals, most likely they haven't even given a second thought to where the meat on there plate came from, they are ignorant. Educate them... non threateningly.

 

[sequoia]

I highly recommend you read the book "Terrorists or Freedom Fighters". Then get back to me.

 

[Forster]

<div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sequoia</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010727"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
I highly recommend you read the book "Terrorists or Freedom Fighters". Then get back to me.</div>
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If you think it will change my opinion that such tactics don't work and are counter productive then I'm willing to give it a try.

 

[sequoia]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Forster</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010730"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
If you think it will change my opinion that such tactics don't work and are counter productive then I'm willing to give it a try.</div>
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It might change your opinion. It certainly changed mine. It's a collection of essays on various topics related to animal liberation. I learned a lot, and it's a good read. It is available on Kindle, if you have one <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smiley.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title=""><br><br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=veggieboards.com-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FTerrorists-Freedom-Fighters-Reflections-Liberation%2Fdp%2F159056054X" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Terrorists-Fre.../dp/159056054X</a>

 

[Irizary]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Forster</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010725"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
There has been virtually no change in Mink production since 1992... almost 20 years.</div>
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It looks as though the number of farms has gone down a lot, they just produce more on those remaining farms<br><a href="http://www.furcommission.com/farming/production.htm" target="_blank">http://www.furcommission.com/farming/production.htm</a><br><br>
thus, fewer targets.

 

[Irizary]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Forster</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010638"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
The vast majority will starve to death.</div>
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How do you know that?<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>sallyomally</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010689"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
What's so sad is that the little things don't know how to survive in the wild</div>
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Despite what the fur industry says, mink are still wild animals with their survival instincts intact.

 

[leong_cf]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Forster</strong> <a href="/forum/post/3010725"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Educate them... non threateningly.</div>
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Education against cruelty existed since the time of Budda, Hinduism, Jainism, Leonardo da Vinci, Mark Twain...etc. It worked for some people (like us here?). Clearly, it didn't work for many others.<br><br>
Non-threatening education alone is not effective. And direct action alone may not be sufficiently effective to advance the cause. While I agree that education is appropriate for majority of people, I also think it shouldn't have no threats at all.<br><br>
I think passive action has to be complemented with aggressive one. Then it will move forward. A person with more sense of urgency will understand the necessity of radical action.<br><br>
Minks eats eggs and insects too. There's hope of them surviving in the wild. In captivity, there's totally no hope at all. Comparing freeing minks to starvation in the wild with leaving them in captivity, I think the former is lesser evil. The aim of the action is also to cause some financial loss to the fur farms. Well justified.<br><br>
To me, the people who freed the minks should be applauded; not smack on the head

 

[Envy]

One problem I can think of is to let out 1,500 minks in the same area at once.<br><br>
I wonder what kind of effect they will have on the environment.