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“The vocation of being a ‘protector,’ however, is not just something involving us Christians alone; it also has a prior dimension which is simply human, involving everyone. It means protecting all creation, the beauty of the created world, as the Book of Genesis tells us and as St. Francis of Assisi showed us. It means respecting each of God’s creatures and respecting the environment in which we live."
 

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For all catholics out there.

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/its-official-pope-francis-says-animals-do-go-to-heaven/

First, this progressive pope chose the name Francis after St. Francis of Assisi, the patron saint of animals and ecology. Soon after being selected, Pope Francis caused quite the stir when he "broke the rules" and went out of his way to physically bless a service dog in the crowd. Animal-lovers around the world now have even more reason to celebrate the new Pontiff. Pope Francis recently stated that, as many of us already believe, animals do go to heaven.
Hope he will inspire more to become at least vegetarian by stating this!
 

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Hope he lives a long life, the world needs someone like him whose progressiveness is respected and taken to heart.
 

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All the love for Pope Francis really makes no sense to me. The Roman Catholic Church still protects child abusing priests, opposes birth control, homosexuality, and even divorce. I don't care what this guy says. As long as church policy doesn't change, he's no better than the guy he replaced.

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All the love for Pope Francis really makes no sense to me. The Roman Catholic Church still protects child abusing priests, opposes birth control, homosexuality, and even divorce. I don't care what this guy says. As long as church policy doesn't change, he's no better than the guy he replaced.
Maybe he's a bit better but not enough to make a significant difference.
 

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Most of the Catholics you consider terrible people, don't like Pope Francis because they think he's too liberal. Some of these guys are already investigating whether there's a way to "impeach" a pope. As in, could the College of Cardinals get together and vote him out if they could find just the right smoking gun. Not sure there's exactly precedent for that, but if there is, these folks will find it and go for it.
 

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All the love for Pope Francis really makes no sense to me. The Roman Catholic Church still protects child abusing priests, opposes birth control, homosexuality, and even divorce. I don't care what this guy says. As long as church policy doesn't change, he's no better than the guy he replaced.

--Fromper
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The same criticism is constantly being used against President Obama everyday. The Congress, the Supreme Court and billions in special interest money make his job almost impossible. Although if you look closely he has made some remarkable accomplishments.

The Pope has made some ground breaking announcements and statements. I'd say lets support his vision, he deserves a chance. If "we" abandon him, like many abandoned President Obama, his job will be will that much more difficult.
 

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The same criticism is constantly being used against President Obama everyday. The Congress, the Supreme Court and billions in special interest money make his job almost impossible. Although if you look closely he has made some remarkable accomplishments.

The Pope has made some ground breaking announcements and statements. I'd say lets support his vision, he deserves a chance. If "we" abandon him, like many abandoned President Obama, his job will be will that much more difficult.
The difference is that the US needs a government. On the other hand, the world doesn't need the Catholic Church. It doesn't matter if we support the current figurehead or not. They're still discriminating and getting in the way of real progress in the world.

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The difference is that the US needs a government. On the other hand, the world doesn't need the Catholic Church. It doesn't matter if we support the current figurehead or not. They're still discriminating and getting in the way of real progress in the world.

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Eliminate the Catholic Church? I think there is a more compassionate plan than that.
 

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I've known for years animals are allowed in Heaven. If they aren't, I'm not going, I'm going where all my cats will purr and rub me, and dogs will jump on my with cloudy paws.
 
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Eliminate the Catholic Church? I think there is a more compassionate plan than that.
Well, I'm not exactly talking violent overthrow or anything like that. I'm just saying the world would be a better place if Catholicism (and all religions) faded into obscurity due to irrelevance. It'll happen eventually, but I expect it to take a few hundred more years.

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River's link doesn't work. Try this one.
 

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The NY Times published this. It includes comments from the pork lobby, HSUS, and PETA. Interesting, both of the animal protection groups have directors of outreach to faith groups.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/w...eaven-pope-leaves-pearly-gate-open-.html?_r=1
It's not really surprising though. Quite a few people say they take guidance and inspiration for the way they live from their faith, and someone who wishes to bring about better treatment for animals might be better able to reach these people if they truly have a handle on whatever particular faith the person they're trying to reach practices. I doubt it would fly coming from someone who doesn't truly share the person's faith, though- it would have to be genuine.

But I must say this: whether or not animals have immortal souls, I want them to live their mortal lives as long and as happily as they possibly can.

I guess the computer I'm using is missing a driver or something, or maybe the article was deleted- I can't access it.

ETA: Thanks, Dave.
 
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