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05-22-2004 09:09 PM
Peter Parker
Originally Posted by raylea View Post

I gained weight when going vegan. I also stopped puking up everything I ate, too, so I guess it's expected.

yes, that may have something to do with it. congrats on stopping puking everything up.

I've been that route myself. its not fun.
05-22-2004 08:47 PM
raylea I gained weight when going vegan. I also stopped puking up everything I ate, too, so I guess it's expected.
05-22-2004 08:31 PM
Peter Parker healthy and wispy. hehe

Im 6'2 and I think I should weigh, at the most, 170.
05-22-2004 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by Peter Parker View Post

true, but Im trying my best to lose weoght, I want to be thin almost wispy again.

I will attain my goal.

Peanut butter, olive oil... any fat to me I have mentally placed in the same 'field' as eating animal products. Which makes my stomach feel like its just 'dropped' like I was riding a huge rollercoaster.

It's a little disturbing to me that your goal is to be "wispy." It will be better for you in the long run if your goal is to be healthy rather than ultra-thin. The only way I finally lost my unwanted weight for good was to stop thinking about losing weight, and instead start doing moderate amounts of exercise and eating moderate amounts of a wide variety of whole foods (which includes some fats). Of course I was happy when I lost weight and eventually stopped losing when I'd reached a healthy weight, but that wasn't my goal and I'm still not, nor do I ever want to be, "wispy."
05-22-2004 02:55 PM
GhostUser I have lost 43 pounds since going vegan and do a total body cleanse four times a year. I would like to loose another 43 and it generally comes off without much effort. I don't use much of any processed foods, don't eliminate any food groups and eat pretty much like the the vegan food pyramid suggests. I think, for me at least, that a well balanced vegan diet with the proper amounts of each group work well. This is the first time in 30 years that i have been able to loose weight.

Also, I love hummus and have it at least three or four times a week. I make my own from a recipe off the net and you don't need to put the oil in it and I don't even know the difference.
05-22-2004 12:53 PM
MollyGoat Peter, in a nutshell, grains are not a nutrient-dense food (see Fuhrman's book.) While I think some grains are beneficial, basing one's diet on them--especially to the exclusion of other, more nutrient dense foods, like avocados, soy, and nuts--seems to me a very bad idea.

"The fat you eat is the fat you wear" is patently false. You are just as likely to store starch and sugars as fat as you are to store fat as fat. And your body uses fat for other purposes besides storage. I sincerely hope you are not doing as you say and avoiding all fats. Fat is critical to brain and nervous system function and skin health as well as other functions in the body.

I'm not saying the diet doesn't "work", i.e., make you lose weight. I'm saying I don't believe it's particularly healthy. A lot of unhealthy diets can make someone lose weight.

I certainly believe McDougall is healthier than the Standard American Diet.
05-22-2004 11:31 AM
tearhsong2 It's entirely possible that since you've been working out the weight gain is from gaining more muscle. Muscle weighs more than fat.

If it's not that, my first guess would be the detox diet you tried. That probably threw your whole body off.

Besides, being a vegetarian doesn't equal weight loss. Any way of eating you can gain or lose depending on how much you eat, how much you exercise, where your metabolism's at, and sometimes it's genetic, too.
05-22-2004 10:01 AM
IamJen re: McDougall MWL

Since this program is designed specifically for weight loss, he recommends cutting out tofu, etc. because they are very calorically dense. While it's true that you *may* not stay as full with salads, etc. he also recommends "grazing" as opposed to the "3 squares a day idea". Eating 6 smaller portions a day helps you feel full while still eating less calories overall (if you choose the right foods). It also helps your stomach get used to smaller loads at a time.

The issue with spices is common to many weight loss plans. The idea (which I'm not totally on board with yet!) is that many spices stimulate your appetite and cause you to eat more.

I'm not a particular fan, but I think each person needs to find the "system" that works for them. 102 lbs. gone here...
05-22-2004 08:34 AM
Peter Parker true, but Im trying my best to lose weoght, I want to be thin almost wispy again.

I will attain my goal.

Peanut butter, olive oil... any fat to me I have mentally placed in the same 'field' as eating animal products. Which makes my stomach feel like its just 'dropped' like I was riding a huge rollercoaster.
05-22-2004 08:34 AM
NDvegan85 Peter Parker- Calories are calories. If you eat too many calories, your body stores it as fat, regardless of whether they are from fat or not. The thing is that a gram of fat has 9 calories and a gram of protein or carbs has 4 calories. So not eating fat means that you can eat a larger volume of food for the same amount of calories, but it might not keep you full for as long. In the end it doesn't matter where your calories come from, just so long as you are eating less than you burn, you will lose weight.

Not all fats are bad. The fat in peanut butter, avacodos, almonds, walnuts, olive oil and other things are good for your body. It's the saturated and trans fats that you have to watch out for as far as health goes.

Different diets work for some people and not others in part because everyone's body is different and some people can more efficiently metabolize one type of food more easily than others. There is no single solution that we work for all.
05-22-2004 08:29 AM
Artichoke47 Your body needs some healthy fats. I can eat 4 tablespoons of peanut butter or 1/2 c. walnuts a day and be fine. I have maintained my weight for at least a year now. In addition to the nuts I eat, I also eat plenty of grains. It's all about balance and feeling satisfied.
05-22-2004 08:00 AM
Peter Parker

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05-22-2004 07:22 AM
Peter Parker MollyGoat, please explain this more, the mcdougall plan has worked great for me, more details... please!

I think the fat you eat is the fat you wear.

nuts, avacados, etc etc. the cereal he says to eat is oats, grains of the earth. not sugar smacks or anything like that..

Please tell how you believe this is misguided.

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05-22-2004 04:31 AM
bizarro a book reccomendation for you: the single vegan by leah leneman

also try not to eat within 5 hours before bed.

whats your workout routine like?
05-21-2004 03:10 PM
Jennifer I've lost 40 pounds since becoming a vegetarian about 15 of those since becoming vegan. I try to avoid all sugars, soda's and basically junk food. However I do indulge once in a while. I eat lots of whole grains and all the fruit and veggies I want. I eat six small meals a day instead of three and that seems to help. Also I drink about 120 ounces of water a day and hit the Gym about 4 days a week. It has taken a whole year for the weight to come off so I would not stress too much about it.
05-21-2004 02:02 PM
Peter Parker
05-21-2004 10:51 AM
itsycoo Thanks again all!

Peter, thanks for the McDougall info (and congrats on your weight loss!). I do think I have been overdoing it with peanut butter, hummus and oils, actually.

Artichoke, I feel better when I don't eat a heavy breakfast. But maybe you're right in that eating breakfast would prevent my huge dinners.

FDvegan, thanks! I did the Master Cleanse mainly for the detox process; the weight loss was an unexpected delight. The negative was that I liked how I looked and felt after the rapid weight loss and felt uncomfortable when it all came back on just as quickly as it had disappeared. LOL.

Molly, I will check out Furhman's book. Thanks for the rec.

I think I need to stop thinking about it so much, too. Today I am going to eat some whole-grain pancakees and relish each bite!!
05-21-2004 10:47 AM
SweetShorty132 I've actually lost weight. i love to be active and i hate most dairy products so i eat TONS of veges and fruits.

Try to exercise more and less dairy stuff
05-21-2004 10:20 AM
MollyGoat I think the McDougall plan is really misguided, actually. Any plan that tells you to avoid nuts, avocados and soybeans but eat all you want of cereal has to be wrong...

If you're looking for a really great diet/eating plan, which I'm not sure that you are, Joel Fuhrman's Eat to Live book is a great one to look up. It's based on the concept of nutrient density and is backed by really sound science and logic. Way better than McDougall by a long shot.
05-21-2004 09:51 AM
NDvegan85 Fasting will cause your metabolism to slow down and most of the weight that you lose will be water and muscle because the body can turn muscle into fuel more efficently than it can fat. Losing muscle will also decrease your metabolism. But when you start feeding your body regularly when it is hungry, your metabolism will go back to where it should be. IT doesn't sound like you are eating enough earlier in the day. I would guess that the weight gain is due to the "detox" than going veggie. Fad diets just don't work for any long term weight loss.

BTW, congrats on your decision to become vegetarian!
05-21-2004 09:44 AM
CountessKerouac Why would you have to use spices sparingly? Pepper is 0 cal! I love spices! Not salt though thank god lol
05-21-2004 09:00 AM
Peter Parker i agree. personally, i would go with the mcdougall plan above and eat eat eat then eat more and lose weight! A typical month of weight loss is anywhere from 8 to 15 lbs for me.
05-21-2004 05:13 AM
Artichoke47 I think you should have a more substantial breakfast and lunch. Add whole grains and nuts. Your body might be in starvation mode.
05-21-2004 02:14 AM
Peter Parker oh by the way, itsycoo, mcdougall says you can eat as much as the you want, as long as you stay on the Foods you should eat list.

As many helpings as needed or wanted.

05-21-2004 01:55 AM
Peter Parker feta cheese has a lot of sodium = water retention.

I would limit fruit intake to less than 2 a day when trying to lose weight (this works for me)

hummus is not that good for us. lotsa oil.

try avoiding any crackers, bread so forth for a week and see how your weight differs.

I read a lot of dr. mcdougall and dean ornish.

here is what I follow:

Foods you should eat:

All whole grains and whole-grain cereals, such as brown rice, corn, oatmeal, barley, millet, and wheat berries; many packaged grain cereals, puffed grains, and other healthful cereals.

Squashes, such as acorn, butternut, buttercup, pumpkin, and zucchini.

Root vegetables, such as potatoes, sweet potatoes, and yams.

Legumes, such as peas, split peas, black-eyed peas, string beans, and such beans as chick-peas, lentils, and adzuki, navy, pinto, and black beans.

Green and yellow vegetables, such as collard greens, broccoli, kale, mustard greens, cabbage, various types of lettuce, and watercress; celery, cauliflower, carrots, and asparagus, and tomato.

Limited to two servings per day:

Fruit, such as apples, bananas, berries, grapefruit, oranges, peaches, and pears.

For most people, simple sugars, salt, and spices used sparingly at the table rather than in cooking.

Avoid the following:

All red meat, including beef pork, and lamb. All are rich in fat, cholesterol, and other harmful constituents.

All poultry and fish. Poultry has about the same amount of cholesterol as red meat, while fish varies, depending on the type. Some fish are higher in cholesterol than red meat, others lower.

All dairy products, including milk, yogurt, and cheese. All are loaded with fat and cholesterol. Low-fat dairy products are not recommended because of potential health hazards, including allergies, childhood diabetes, arthritis, and lactose intolerance.

All oil, including olive, safflower, peanut, and corn oil. Oil is simply a liquid form of fat.

All eggs. Eggs are abundant in fat and cholesterol.

Nuts, seeds, avocados, olives, and soybean products (including tofu, soy cheese, and soy milk). Soybean products are high in fat, unless they have been specially processed (low-fat varieties are also not recommended).

All dried fruit and fruit juices

All flour products, such as breads, bagels, and pretzels. The less a food is processed the better it is for weight loss. Flour products are composed of fragments of grain, or relatively small particles, which increase absorption and slow weight loss.

by the way, this is the mcdougall maximum weight loss plan, again it works for me.
05-21-2004 12:42 AM
itsycoo Thank you everyone for responding and for your suggestions! To respond to some of your questions: I have not been eating much dairy. I stopped drinking milk, but I do have occasional feta cheese in my salads. My typical day consists of fruit for breakfast, a large salad for lunch, carrots & hummus for snacks, and brown rice with beans and seaweed for dinner. I do have the occasional cookie, Asian-style crackers, cocktail. I work out 4-5 times a week.

It's weird; I can't figure out how I've managed to gain so much weight recently. One thing I forgot to mention was I did the Master Cleanse (a liquid detox fast) for 10 days and lost 10 pounds. It was after this cleanse that I decided to go vegetarian. I regained the 10 pounds, plus a few! I feel really uncomfortable, bloated and frustrated....

I think my problem is portions. Although I eat pretty healthfully, I eat large quantities. Like I'll have 3 large pieces of fruit at once, or 2 large helpings of brown rice for dinner.

Again, thank you to those who wrote, and if anyone else has any comments or suggestions, they'd be most welcomed!!
05-20-2004 09:42 PM
Sheik del Mar The exact same thing happened to me. I'm just now getting better, in fact. MY problem was substituting carbs for meat and not eating enough vegetables. So you might want to make sure that you aren't trying to fill up on simple carbs and such. However, you sound like you aren't in the same dillemma as I. I didn't like vegetables very much (which, I know, is just stupid if you're going to be a vegetarian.)
05-20-2004 09:31 PM
bizarro other reasons for a bloated feeling could be exessive sodium intake, gas or your monthly visitor. if you are drinking soda pop of any kind you might want to eliminate it from your diet. the regular stuff is loaded with sugar, that will make you fat. the diet stuff is loaded with sodium which will cause you to retain water. exercise and take a water pill, that should help no matter what you eat.
05-20-2004 09:24 PM
MollyGoat Yeah, I was pretty overweight as a lacto-ovo because I ate so much dairy, especially cheese.

The bloating might just be your body's reaction to a sudden change in diet. That may go away after you adjust.
05-20-2004 09:21 PM
Peter Parker ive lost a lot of weight, but have a lot more to go.

I exercise 40 minutes before and 40 after work using an eleptical runner and on the weekends I run an hour straight.

I try to avoid all breads, fats, oil of any kind, and sodas.

i also avoid all fruit juices and I try to avoid all soy products too, but thats hard for me. I love silk chocolate milk.

im kinda ashamed that im vegan and overweight. but Ive lost from 323lbs to 264.
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